Quote:Rev Jerry wrote
Article 2, Section 2, clause 1 of the constitution says "The President is the military's commander-in-chief; however Article One gives Congress and not the President the authority to declare war."
Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 of the constitution says: "He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur
We are at "war", officially, with "terror". This war was encated by a constitutionally acceptable vote of congress. Ron Paul cannot constitutionally stop this war by himself without the ADVICE and CONSENT of 2/3rds of the SENATE...so his claims that he will stop the war are false. Obama claimed he would stop the war, has he done it yet? No. Because he cant do that according tothe Constitution.
#1. This war was enacted by a constitutionally acceptable vote of congress.
If you are talking about Afghanistan, then No it wasn't. President Bush on sole executive powers went into an undeclared war. Basically a loophole, I guess. Check your facts on that.
#2. Ron Paul cannot constitutionally stop this war by himself without the ADVICE and CONSENT of 2/3rds of the SENATE...so his claims that he will stop the war are false.
The Constitution says that Congressional support is needed to DECLARE a war, not stopping one. The Constition also says the prez needs 2/3 support from the Senate to MAKE TREATIES with other nations, still nothing about complete withdrawal of troops. It seems your mistake lies in the INTERPRETATION of the Constituion, not in the legality of it. And furthermore, even IF Ron Paul did need majority support from either the House or Senate, you automatically PRESUME that he wouldn't get it!! What are you psychic? You know for sure that would happen or is that just your own ASSUMPTION of things?
#3. Obama claimed he would stop the war, has he done it yet? No. Because he cant do that according tothe Constitution.
Well, once again we see another presumption, that Obama would end the war if he could. So Obama is an honest politician in YOUR eyes, but Paul is not. Is this not an accurate observation? If that were the case then how come Obama doesn't just come right out and say that! "I would love to end the war America, but gosh, I just can't do it because the Constitution won't let me!" THAT seems absurd. Obama had no intention to end the wars, too much pressure from corporate interests to continue and sustain it, esp. in Afghan.
Most opponents of Ron Paul are too blinded and restricted by cynicism, pessimistic prediction, and complete futility. They basically don't think outside of the cultural box. They don't see the humanistic side of government and think that "written laws, dictates and mandates" are the complete reality of governing a nation. How many times are these laws in reality never enforced, easily bypassed (esp. for the rich), or totally ignored? Or as in Rev Jerry's case, misinterpreted or misconstrued very biasedly.
You say you don't like Ron Paul. Perhaps you hate all politicians. This is an OBVIOUS BIAS. You look for all the chinks in his armor. You look for anything that may appear ambiguous in Paul's message and turn it into something negative and distorted, as of which you think that YOU are an expert on even though in reality, you are completely unqualified to even seriously speak about. Tell me how the hell do you know more about the inner workings of politics than Ron Paul, a 30 year Congressional veteran! Your entire claim is that you assume Paul is lying because nearly every politician lies.
Essentially, you have no faith in the man. Yet what else would one expect from a group of minimalistic atheists mired in political/social loathing? Answer: Only negativity and NAYSAYING! Unfortunately, people like you are ones who get in the way of real human progress, while ironically believing to be above it. You offer no real solutions to anything in life....only ridicule and complaint...and it gets tiring for enthusiasts who are willing to take a chance for the benefit of the world. If you want to bash somebody, at least choose your targets more wisely. There are a whole lot more people in the world of government and the media who probably well more deserve it than a 76 year old man who is fighting against the OVERWHELMING corruption in Washington. I predict that many "atheists" would be cynical towards ANYONE who had ANYTHING positive to say. This is a very common byproduct of your militant atheism. God and Christ are false, so anyone that has some moral fortitude and a prophetic message is evil too. You probably believe in everything FOXS news tells you, and geez such heroes as JFK and John Lennon were horrible too because they went against the system. Stop nitpicking and look at the BIG fucking picture! Ron Paul is offering CHANGE, nobody else is!!! But talk to anyone on the streets as well as all the economic experts,and we all agree that our country is going down the tubes,so a urgent fix is needed, not petty criticisms.
You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.
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