RE: Understanding/Sympathizing/forbearing people
February 8, 2012 at 7:44 am
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2012 at 7:51 am by Cosmic Ape.)
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I think many people have a problem when they have a view point they feel strongly about, to really condemn zealously people of opposing views.
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(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Most people grew up looking for the answers with their parents. The bond family, the effect of culture, nationalism, and other factors, influence what person will believe.
I didn't need any of that growing up, it's not a necessity to follow your parents like a robot; bonding with your family is optional; being effected to much by your culture can be a bad thing (see islam), nationalsim is the cousin of racism and again is not a necessity just pride (again, optional). It's the kids responsibility to mature enough to eventually stray from their parents ideology and form opinions/views of their own (even if only slightly different). It's also their responsibility to care what is true and be skeptical of everything, every great mind was a skeptic, religious or not.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: People develop a bias. Some people change their minds, and when they do, even if their reasoning isn't perfect, will feel very strong about it.
Whenever I get ready to talk to a deist I know they have been seeded roots of religion somewhere in their family and they wanted to somehow rebel against the primitive religions and still believe in a god somewhere. We can measure whats in the universe through science and all it's shown us is that life forms naturally, an infinite god would still have to have been created. The kind of god youre hoping for at best is a highly advanced alien lifeform way above where we are. And you would probably call that thing god because of what it could possibly do.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: What I realize now, is most people are riding some tide, and will never go against it.
Will you ever reconsider your faith? think about that before you answer.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Sometimes a person goes against a viewpoint he held, and then becomes passionate against the people whom hold that view.
I knew it....
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I think we need to understand that people don't know why they believe what they believe. People reasoning are not perfect, and they hold beliefs on irrational basis all the time. I see no reason to be upset at these people. I see no reason to disrespect these people.
Then they shouldn't believe things that havn't been proven to be true or even been able to be tested. In Science we dont say that magic fairies made the water on the planet if we dont have it peer reviewed and accepted in the scientific community, and until then its supernatural hogwash until it has demonsterable evidence to support it. If you have no proof of your deist-god you have to submit that you are an Agnostic Deist.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I think we need to sympathize with each other and realize humans in general have not been able to escape illogical irrational thinking.
We can sympathize all you want but if you aren't willing to re-evaluate your beliefs and consider other peoples points of view (not saying youre not) then we wont get anywhere. The best thing to do when you run into an argument with an Atheist that is getting the better of you, just say "you know what, i will study up on this despite my faith and give it a real chance" otherwise you're going to get backlash for things you might say here.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I think we also need to try put ourselves in other people's shoes, try to understand their thinking, even if your ideas are against, and sympathize with people, even if they are enemies of our people.
Religions are my enemy and they are the enemies of their own subsevients as well as the other religions. Sorry to disappoint you but a lot of us want to see religion boil down to a point where it's a campfire tale thats taken as seriously as bigfoot is today.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Everyone naturally when they pick view tend to believe they are right, but I see no need to be so zealous against others. Everyone is experiencing the world in their own way, and we shouldn't look down upon people, but sympathize and forbear them.
I will never claim I am 100% right, I have a problem with the people who claim they are 100% right that a supernatural deity exists with no physical proof, no contemporary proof based from religious texts, and opposing proof from Science that we evolved naturally in the Cosmos.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: People don't try to be stupid, don't try to be irrational, don't try to be immoral. In fact, people tend to try the opposite.
Then they lack critical thinking skills and it needs to be corrected.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: A Muslim or a Christian may condemn a person for their beliefs, not sympathize with a people holding a wrong cosmology, or failing to believe in the "right religion" and "true path", because this is what their scriptures teach, but what reason do Atheists have of being so zealous against people for wrong views?
They both fail to even comprehend Cosmology, don't even put Christian or Muslim in the same sentence with Cosmology. And if there was a true path everyone would have it and there wouldn't be 1000's of other mutually exclusive religions teaching different answers about different important questions.
(February 7, 2012 at 3:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I am actually quite disgusted by how little compassion/respect/love/forbearance is shown to non-atheists on this forum. I hope most atheists are not like the people on this forum.
If you've met Zakir500 or Godschild, me thinks you'd have a different opinion.