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Freedom of Religion
RE: Freedom of Religion
You could shout these arguments into a bullhorn planted in my ear, or paint them in neon green on the Mona Lisa and I wouldn't give you an ounce of trouble for them...if they were valid arguments that had anything to do with the subject that was being discussed, if it wasn't a long litany of arguments from ignorance in service of a strawman. All truth statements arrived at by scientific inquiry are given provisional certainty, which is to say that as far as we can tell, this is what we know..unless more information becomes available. Arguing that science isn't airtight is pointless, as it does not claim to be. Arguing that whatever you dream up can be used to fill a gap in this less than airtight body of knowledge is an argument from ignorance. If these are the reasons that you feel that magic is compatible with science, you're mistaken. It remains nonsense (which you have every right to believe in, and which I have every right to belittle..lol)

To be blunt, referencing some mystery in an unrelated are, (such as science) does not make your supernatural mystery more plausible. It isn't what we don't know that rules out magic, it's what we do. Magic isn't mysterious in the least bit. It's a very tired and very tried concept that failed and continues to fail to produce results. There's so much information on what sorts of magic people believed in and why that anyone trying to insert mystery is only trying to make it seem plausible by intentionally confusing themselves. It's not even an area where agnosticism can be justified, unless you leave the definition of magic or the supernatural so vague as to mean everything or nothing (which you have), rendering it a meaningless concept from the get go if for no other reason than the lack of specifics.
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Freedom of Religion - by rubikscube - January 9, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Forsaken - January 9, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by padraic - January 9, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Violet - February 13, 2012 at 3:25 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Blam! - January 9, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by rubikscube - January 9, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Anomalocaris - January 9, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by rubikscube - January 10, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by kılıç_mehmet - January 10, 2012 at 10:16 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by houseofcantor - January 11, 2012 at 12:44 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Doubting Thomas - January 11, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Erinome - January 12, 2012 at 12:35 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - January 12, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Doubting Thomas - January 12, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - January 12, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by houseofcantor - January 13, 2012 at 2:49 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Perhaps - January 17, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by houseofcantor - January 17, 2012 at 8:59 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Nebuloso - January 27, 2012 at 6:54 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - January 27, 2012 at 7:16 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Nebuloso - January 27, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mitja - January 27, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - January 28, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by reverendjeremiah - January 31, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by padraic - January 28, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by CliveStaples - January 30, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - January 30, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - January 30, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mitja - January 31, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by reverendjeremiah - January 31, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by LastPoet - January 31, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Doubting Thomas - January 31, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Doubting Thomas - January 31, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Faith No More - January 31, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by padraic - January 31, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mitja - February 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 1, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mitja - February 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Faith No More - February 1, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - February 1, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mister Agenda - February 1, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mitja - February 1, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mister Agenda - February 1, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mitja - February 1, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Mister Agenda - February 2, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Doubting Thomas - February 1, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - February 2, 2012 at 6:20 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 2, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 2, 2012 at 10:33 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 2, 2012 at 10:38 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2012 at 6:50 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 2, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Michelle_Patton - February 2, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2012 at 10:01 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 3, 2012 at 3:44 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - February 3, 2012 at 6:05 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 3, 2012 at 7:42 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 3, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 3, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 3, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by CliveStaples - February 3, 2012 at 9:08 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 3, 2012 at 9:39 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 4, 2012 at 3:12 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by KichigaiNeko - February 4, 2012 at 3:15 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 4, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 4, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 5, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 5, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 5, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 5, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 5, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 5, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 6, 2012 at 12:16 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 6, 2012 at 2:22 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 6, 2012 at 2:30 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 7, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 8, 2012 at 3:25 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 8, 2012 at 3:00 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 4, 2012 at 3:16 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by KichigaiNeko - February 4, 2012 at 3:26 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 4, 2012 at 4:38 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 4, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - February 5, 2012 at 3:24 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 6, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Rusko - February 6, 2012 at 9:26 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by RW_9 - February 6, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Cosmic Ape - February 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 7, 2012 at 9:14 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 1:08 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 8, 2012 at 3:19 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 4:14 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 8, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 2:08 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 2:53 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - February 8, 2012 at 2:55 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2012 at 2:57 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2012 at 3:02 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 3:04 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 8, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 7:48 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - February 8, 2012 at 8:12 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 8, 2012 at 9:53 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 6:28 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 10, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 10, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 10, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 11, 2012 at 10:10 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 11, 2012 at 10:57 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 12, 2012 at 6:54 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 13, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 3:11 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 3:22 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2012 at 3:31 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 3:51 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 4:17 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 4:52 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - February 8, 2012 at 7:29 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 9:23 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by tackattack - February 9, 2012 at 6:07 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 8, 2012 at 9:40 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 8, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by padraic - February 8, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 8, 2012 at 10:11 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 12:22 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 9, 2012 at 12:59 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 1:43 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 9, 2012 at 2:33 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 3:12 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 3:17 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 9, 2012 at 3:15 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 3:16 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 9, 2012 at 3:18 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 3:18 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 11:13 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 11:31 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Cosmic Ape - February 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 9:46 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Cosmic Ape - February 9, 2012 at 11:20 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Cosmic Ape - February 10, 2012 at 9:30 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 7:45 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 9, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 9, 2012 at 10:55 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 2:11 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 10, 2012 at 3:02 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 10, 2012 at 4:40 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 10, 2012 at 8:58 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 11:01 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 10, 2012 at 6:08 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2012 at 12:36 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 13, 2012 at 10:26 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 13, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 13, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Cosmic Ape - February 13, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by downbeatplumb - February 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Abracadabra - February 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Freedom of Religion - by Epimethean - February 13, 2012 at 8:08 pm

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