(February 21, 2012 at 4:51 pm)Napoleon Wrote:(February 21, 2012 at 4:47 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: Taking the stance that no possible spiritual view of reality is possible
Umm it's certainly possible to take that view. Does that mean it has any basis in scientific fact? No.
Is there any basis in scientific fact for the outrageous claims that there can be no spiritual essence to reality? No.
So what does science even have to do with the question?
Nothing.
Science and religion only bang heads in specific areas, such as "creationism" versus "evolution". Now there's a debate where science can step in and clearly show that evolution wins hands down.
So with respect to specific mythological rumors science can be used to reveal the falsity of those claims.
But it doesn't automatically follow that science can then rule out all possible spiritual concepts.
Yet, many atheists are erroneously holding up science as an argument that no possible spiritual view of reality is possible and therefore everyone who even remotely considers such a things must necessarily be a complete idiot because science has ruled out all such 'nonsense'.
That itself a street myth that has absolutely no grounds in scientific knowledge whatsoever. It's just a growing myth that is being erroneously supported when in fact, it has no scientific support at all.
On the contrary, the scientific community is currently hypothesizing and speculating themselves about many quite strange and seemingly esoteric possible aspect of nature. Aspects of nature that, if true, would provide more than enough secular room for many spiritual philosophies and ideas.
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!