RE: Freewill
March 25, 2012 at 4:41 pm
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2012 at 5:17 pm by Drich.)
(March 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Who redeems sin?
The same God through the Blood of Christ.
(March 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm)Insanity x Wrote: So god created the serpent (Who i assume you imply is the devil, satan or whatever else you like to call it) in full knowledge that it would corrupt humanity?
The serpent did not Corrupt humanity. Discontentment and a proud Heart (in that they wanted to be like God) Corrupted Humanity. In short Humanity corrupted Humanity.
The Serpent/Devil only presented the option. One can not have true choice without options.
(March 25, 2012 at 2:21 pm)tobie Wrote: Not only that, he created our ability to sin, then gets all fired up about us sinning, so sends a massive flood and then sends everyone to a massive pit of fire and torture.
The flood was not the result of sin. Read the account in Genesis. the Flood was the result of exceeding wickedness brought on by the worship and propagation of Angel demon hybrids. (Men of Great renown/titans)
Hell is not literal fire It is the absents of God and creation. Being thrown in a lake of Fire only represents the panic and the desperation of one being consumed, by the emptiness and darkness outside of creation. Hell or eternal separation is far far worse than fire. Fires will die when the fuel burn out. The absents of God and creation is eternal.
That said God does not send us there. we elect to go there of our own accord. God only enforces the decision we make in this life.
That is what the Choice of free will is. The choice to either spend eternity with God or eternally separated from Him.
(March 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm)Insanity x Wrote: The more I hear about this god fellow the more I think he should be made responsible for his crimes.
Look its god!?
Then by all means prosecute with all of the righteousness and authority you have been given. You most certainly do not need my permission.
(March 25, 2012 at 2:39 pm)Napoleon Wrote: So God? He created the universe and everything in it right?Yes, and God is the being who put the tree of knowledge in the middle of the garden so His creation would have a choice. He also allowed Satan to inform Adam and Eve of this Choice and frame it in such away to allow them to believe it was a choice without consequence.
Why because you can not have a true choice if you do not have viable options to choose from.
Quote:Sure is. A choice which god forces us to supposedly make when he doesn't have to.Let's say for instance my theory is correct and Adam and Eve lived in the Garden with God a few hundred billion years. Let even say the garden was more like an estate about 1/2 the size of North America. even if there were only the two of you, a few hundred billion years is enough time to see everything and do everything a few dozen times, let alone all of eternity. so what happens A&E get board, and want to check out the one thing they had no interest in up to this point. even though God said it would lead up to pain and death, they were still curious about it because it is the one thing they haven't done yet. then one day someone says it will be fine and assures them that God was mistaken, and tells them to go head and check it out. what would you do?
Every sentient being created in the presents of God has this dilemma at some point or another in eternity past. they are tempted by the unknown enticed by the speculation of power and the illusion of freewill (no consequences for your actions) In short they all want what they did not have. We are born with this gift, and we know the consequences of sin, however with this gift comes responsibility. Our responsibility is to choose whether we wish to return this gift for grace and atonement or whether we wish to keep it and face eternity without God.
