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Dilemma for theists!

KichigaiNeko

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RE: Dilemma for theists!

March 27, 2012 at 8:35 am (This post was last modified: March 27, 2012 at 8:35 am by KichigaiNeko.)

Wow

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Here in Australia (small s) socialism means caring for ones fellow man...you mean this is NOT what xtianity is all about?? Bugger Dodgy

got that wrong big time didn't I? Blush

"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5

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Dilemma for theists! - by Darwinian - March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Napoléon - March 22, 2012 at 1:23 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by znk666 - March 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by NoMoreFaith - March 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by downbeatplumb - March 22, 2012 at 2:18 pm

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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 2:50 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Minimalist - March 22, 2012 at 4:04 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Modular Moog V - March 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 20, 2012 at 10:01 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by King_Charles - April 16, 2012 at 5:06 am

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Rayaan - March 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Napoléon - March 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Whateverist - March 24, 2012 at 8:13 am

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Rayaan - March 22, 2012 at 5:22 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 5:37 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2012 at 5:45 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by LastPoet - March 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2012 at 6:49 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 6:00 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Nine - March 22, 2012 at 6:24 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by kılıç_mehmet - March 22, 2012 at 6:37 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by downbeatplumb - March 23, 2012 at 3:43 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2012 at 3:50 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 23, 2012 at 5:26 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 24, 2012 at 12:38 am

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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 24, 2012 at 4:53 am

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Phil - March 24, 2012 at 7:41 am

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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Phil - March 26, 2012 at 3:56 am

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Darwinian - March 25, 2012 at 3:12 am

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - March 25, 2012 at 3:13 am

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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 29, 2012 at 11:26 pm

RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - March 27, 2012 at 8:35 am

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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - March 29, 2012 at 3:13 am

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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - March 30, 2012 at 12:04 am

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