Evolution

[The Grand Nudger]

Evidence in its broadest sense includes everything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion. Giving or procuring evidence is the process of using those things that are either (a) presumed to be true, or (b) were themselves proven via evidence, to demonstrate an assertion's truth. Evidence is the currency by which one fulfills the burden of proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence

And the bible determines or demonstrates the truth of it's claims (or Drich's claims) exactly how? No dice. If the assertion was merely "the bible says", then sure. "The bible says and so it is thus", no. A verse is wonderful evidence -for what is in the bible-, and it pays to be specific when speaking about evidence. Calling the bible evidence for anything outside it's pages (specifically with regards to it's origins narrative)is akin to calling Star Wars evidence for the existence of the force. I can't remember who said this "everything is evidence of something" (perhaps someone else has heard this and remembers), which is true, but that doesn't mean that everything is evidence of any given specific. There's nothing wrong with considering evidence from what you feel to be a less than credible source (we're often wrong), but in the end, a determination is made as to whether or not what has been presented is evidence -of the claim made-, if it is not, it is not evidence. It's not that it's "bad evidence", it's not evidence at all. If a different claim were made, perhaps it would be, but as it stands, it is not.

To put it simply, the bibles claims (lets say with regards to our origins) are evidence of what a group of people believed about our origins, but in a discussion about origins, and not beliefs regarding origins, it is not evidence at all. It is not evidence in the same way that the color of my morning bowel movement is not evidence of rain. It's not less than credible evidence, it's not bad evidence, again, it's not evidence at all. There has to be a connection between the claim and the "evidence", in both cases (the bible and my bowel movement) there is none.


@Drich, you just keep repeating that line like a mantra, are you placing a hex on us? You've been told (repeatedly) that people would like to hear whatever it is you have to present, you've been given general license, you've been given specific suggestions. There are no avenues left to make excuses. You have something or you don't. If you don't that's okay, no one expects you to, and it isn't like you'll be carried off the forums on a pole for it. However, you may never hear the end of all the bitching and whining about evidence you've managed to force yourself into.