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Dilemma for theists!

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RE: Dilemma for theists!

April 4, 2012 at 12:26 pm

(March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Simple question that's just occurred to me.. Just for theists!!

Would you give up a guaranteed place in heaven to save the souls of a 1000 atheists?

If you say no then you would not be judged or punished and be allowed into heaven anyway.

Does heaven exist?

James Holmes acted consistent with what evolution teaches. He evolved from an animal, and when he murdered those people, He acted like one. You can't say he's wrong since evolution made him that way.

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