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Freewill
RE: Freewill
(April 13, 2012 at 12:07 am)TheJackel Wrote:
(April 12, 2012 at 11:15 pm)Thomas Kelly Wrote:
(April 12, 2012 at 11:09 pm)TheJackel Wrote:
(April 12, 2012 at 9:21 pm)Thomas Kelly Wrote:
(April 12, 2012 at 9:15 pm)TheJackel Wrote: On free will, I only need ask a few questions to the theists on that subject:

1. Do I have the free will to be GOD?

2. And if not to question 1, do I really have "free" will?

3. Would free will not be without constraints, limits, or boundaries?

So for the theists here that claim we have free will, I sure hope you can answer those questions for me.


May be later.

What kind of answer is "Maybe later" ? That's doesn't address anything.




I guess you deserved an answer apart from me not wanting to tell my opinions at the time.

Now I am going to assume this as some sort of protest of free will. But I apologize in advance if this assumption is wrong. So I am just going to use it for example purposes. And under example purposes only, this reply, if assumed to be a protest of free will, only shows available options you have to choose from, or only shows what you can, or what is possible for you to do. It doesn't answer the question of "free" will in the literal context. As in will without any constraints, or limits to options.. You could say you freely chose to not answer those questions at this time, but in reality it's just one possible available option you have to weigh and choose from. So you can choose to answer or not answer as it will be either one regardless of choices available.

You are thus still in a cage limited to what options you have to choose from. True free will will not have any limits what-so-ever to which would expand the entire spectrum of possibility right into impossibility as possible possibilities.

Do you have the free will to do anything you want, or are you bound to rules that prevent you from doing anything you want? So basically I see practical limited will to choose between available options within the limits of your ability.

(April 13, 2012 at 12:02 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Any argument for or against freewill would be an argument from ignorance as even our best scientists are unable to discern the majority of factors that fit into our decision making.
Any argument that an all-knowing, all powerful omnipotent being gave us freewill would be inherently flawed for reasons so painfully obvious that I wouldn't expect to have to explain them to "kindergarten".
Although I would suggest to people who adamantly defend the idea they have complete control and freewill to youtube Derren Brown for the next hour and a half and prepare to have their world rocked.

It's true that we don't know how exactly the brain works, but decision making is basically weighing the options in relation any giving thing, and to self. Free will would mean that you are not bound to the limited options available. Hence the emphasis on "free".. As in not limited or bound.. Now regarding decision making, can you make a choice on a fork in the road you have no knowledge of. How do you cognitively choose left or right if you have no information that left or right exists, or what left or right would mean to you in terms of choice. Hence, it's pretty hard to choose a path cognitively without any information on what it is you are supposed to make a cognitive choice on.






I guess I am limited also it is right.

May be we will discuss more.






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Freewill - by Christian - March 24, 2012 at 9:17 pm
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RE: Freewill - by WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth - March 29, 2012 at 8:34 pm
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RE: Freewill - by KichigaiNeko - March 31, 2012 at 5:26 am
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RE: Freewill - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: Freewill - by Minimalist - April 1, 2012 at 2:49 am
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RE: Freewill - by Napoléon - April 2, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: Freewill - by KichigaiNeko - April 2, 2012 at 7:04 am
Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 12, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: Freewill - by TheJackel - April 12, 2012 at 9:15 pm
RE: Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 12, 2012 at 9:21 pm
RE: Freewill - by TheJackel - April 12, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 12, 2012 at 11:15 pm
RE: Freewill - by TheJackel - April 13, 2012 at 12:07 am
RE: Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 13, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Freewill - by Reforged - April 13, 2012 at 1:12 am
RE: Freewill - by TheJackel - April 13, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 13, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Freewill - by Reforged - April 13, 2012 at 2:47 am
RE: Freewill - by TheJackel - April 13, 2012 at 3:37 am
RE: Freewill - by Drich - April 13, 2012 at 1:05 am
RE: Freewill - by Godschild - April 13, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: Freewill - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RE: Freewill - by Reforged - April 14, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RE: Freewill - by Norfolk And Chance - April 13, 2012 at 8:55 pm
RE: Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 14, 2012 at 4:47 am
RE: Freewill - by TheJackel - April 14, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 14, 2012 at 9:54 am
RE: Freewill - by TheJackel - April 14, 2012 at 1:40 am
RE: Freewill - by Drich - April 12, 2012 at 11:56 pm
RE: Freewill - by Godschild - April 12, 2012 at 11:58 pm
RE: Freewill - by Reforged - April 13, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: Freewill - by Faith No More - April 13, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Freewill - by Paul the Human - April 14, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Freewill - by Cyberman - April 14, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Freewill - by Tobie - April 14, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 14, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: Freewill - by TheJackel - April 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Freewill - by Thomas Kelly - April 14, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Freewill - by Welsh cake - April 14, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: Freewill - by No God No Problem - April 14, 2012 at 1:26 pm

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