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Dilemma for theists!
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(April 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm)C Rod Wrote: What is the sentencing for 3 counts of manslaughter? The son has to pay that price for his mistake, i never said he didn't. The father wants to free him and can even have it happen but son should refuse and accept his punishment. Yea when you assume something about something you don't understand and believe it to be true because you want to, you come off very unflattering and ignorant.

But the same is not applicable where god is concerned? When its time for god to judge, people do not have to pay the price for their own mistakes - they can accept Jesus and go scot-free. But your point here is well-made. Any moral and self-respecting man would spit on the offer your god makes and accept the consequences of his own actions.
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Dilemma for theists! - by Darwinian - March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Napoléon - March 22, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by znk666 - March 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by NoMoreFaith - March 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by downbeatplumb - March 22, 2012 at 2:18 pm
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Minimalist - March 22, 2012 at 4:04 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Modular Moog V - March 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 20, 2012 at 10:01 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by King_Charles - April 16, 2012 at 5:06 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Rayaan - March 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Napoléon - March 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Whateverist - March 24, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Rayaan - March 22, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by LastPoet - March 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 6:00 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Nine - March 22, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by kılıç_mehmet - March 22, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by downbeatplumb - March 23, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 23, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 24, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Cinjin - March 24, 2012 at 3:44 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 24, 2012 at 4:53 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Phil - March 24, 2012 at 7:41 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 24, 2012 at 7:53 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Norfolk And Chance - March 24, 2012 at 7:56 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Bueller - March 24, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by NoMoreFaith - March 24, 2012 at 8:39 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Bueller - March 24, 2012 at 8:41 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by NoMoreFaith - March 24, 2012 at 8:44 am
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 24, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - March 25, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Phil - March 25, 2012 at 3:11 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - March 26, 2012 at 2:44 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by frankiej - March 26, 2012 at 3:39 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - March 27, 2012 at 2:00 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Phil - March 26, 2012 at 3:56 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Darwinian - March 25, 2012 at 3:12 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - March 25, 2012 at 3:13 am
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Cinjin - March 27, 2012 at 8:26 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 8:28 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Faith No More - March 27, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 8:32 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 29, 2012 at 11:26 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - March 27, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - March 27, 2012 at 5:53 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by padraic - March 28, 2012 at 2:49 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Faith No More - March 28, 2012 at 7:11 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - March 28, 2012 at 7:16 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - March 29, 2012 at 2:49 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Faith No More - March 28, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Angrboda - March 28, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Statler Waldorf - March 28, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - March 28, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Faith No More - March 28, 2012 at 8:32 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - March 28, 2012 at 9:37 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Angrboda - March 29, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - March 29, 2012 at 3:13 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Faith No More - March 29, 2012 at 8:09 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - March 29, 2012 at 8:34 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - March 30, 2012 at 12:04 am
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Faith No More - March 30, 2012 at 8:11 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 1, 2012 at 10:31 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by wisdom searcher - March 31, 2012 at 9:40 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - April 1, 2012 at 10:54 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by houseofcantor - April 1, 2012 at 11:21 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by houseofcantor - April 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by houseofcantor - April 1, 2012 at 2:05 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 1, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by houseofcantor - April 1, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 2, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by houseofcantor - April 3, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 3, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2012 at 9:20 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by orogenicman - April 3, 2012 at 9:22 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 4, 2012 at 8:04 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by elunico13 - April 4, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Adjusted Sanity - April 4, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2012 at 9:17 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 5, 2012 at 12:03 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2012 at 12:54 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 5, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 6, 2012 at 12:59 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 6, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Ace Otana - April 6, 2012 at 9:07 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Tempus - April 6, 2012 at 5:27 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 6, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Angrboda - April 6, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 6, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 6, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 6, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 6, 2012 at 8:57 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 7, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 7, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 9, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 9, 2012 at 8:39 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 9, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 10, 2012 at 7:46 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 10, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 10, 2012 at 10:11 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2012 at 9:14 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 10, 2012 at 8:09 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by MysticKnight - April 10, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by MysticKnight - May 1, 2012 at 11:32 pm
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 16, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 3:39 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 1:38 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by kılıç_mehmet - April 17, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 5:38 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 5:57 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - April 17, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - April 17, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 8:17 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 17, 2012 at 7:04 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 17, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 17, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - April 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 8:05 pm
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 19, 2012 at 9:08 pm
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 20, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 20, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 20, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Jackalope - April 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 21, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 23, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 23, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2012 at 6:43 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 23, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 23, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 23, 2012 at 9:39 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 24, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 11:15 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by downbeatplumb - April 24, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by jess_essential - April 24, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 24, 2012 at 5:28 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 24, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Jackalope - April 24, 2012 at 9:21 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 24, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 26, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 26, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Minimalist - April 26, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 26, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 27, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Minimalist - April 27, 2012 at 12:41 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 1:25 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 27, 2012 at 3:33 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by padraic - April 27, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Minimalist - April 27, 2012 at 2:20 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 2:43 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 27, 2012 at 3:05 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 3:14 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 27, 2012 at 3:33 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 3:40 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 27, 2012 at 3:45 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by genkaus - April 27, 2012 at 5:35 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 3:45 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 27, 2012 at 3:57 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - April 27, 2012 at 4:06 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 4:07 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 27, 2012 at 5:52 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - April 27, 2012 at 6:05 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 6:26 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - April 27, 2012 at 6:37 am
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by KichigaiNeko - April 27, 2012 at 7:20 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 9:29 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 27, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by yoda55 - April 27, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 27, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - April 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - April 29, 2012 at 11:15 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2012 at 10:01 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Christi - May 1, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - May 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2012 at 11:24 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - May 1, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - May 1, 2012 at 11:49 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - May 2, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - May 2, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - May 2, 2012 at 12:25 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - May 2, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by C Rod - May 2, 2012 at 12:35 am
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