RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 17, 2012 at 8:00 pm
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2012 at 8:01 pm by Godscreated.)
(April 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm)genkaus Wrote:(April 17, 2012 at 7:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Exactly, granting undeserved mercy, this is grace and salvation comes through that grace. The crimes are eternal sins, they are not forgiven because people do not ask for forgiveness through Jesus. Thus the sin remains eternal, and eternal sin deserves eternal punishment. When God forgives sin through Jesus, the sin is eternally cast away, and eternally forgotten.
Firstly, thanks for proving my point. A god that hands out anything undeserved is unjust and immoral.
Secondly, how can something eternal originate from something temporal?
I did not prove anything for you, you stated your opinion about God and your opinion is proof of nothing, other than you have one.
That's where you are making your mistake in understanding, you are eternal, and the sins you commit are eternally against the righteous God of creation, after all is said and done you belong to Him and there is nothing that will ever change this. He desires you spend eternity with Him, but if it is your desire not to then He will grant you your desire. God will never force that decision, no matter how much you want Him to.
(April 17, 2012 at 7:52 pm)genkaus Wrote:(April 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm)Godschild Wrote: There is no magic, it's all about love.
A moral god would care more for justice.
God's love is morality.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.