RE: A Deist wrote this?
April 18, 2012 at 1:11 am
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 1:18 am by radorth.)
(April 17, 2012 at 5:41 am)orogenicman Wrote: Well, none of that is true. Nada. Zip. Galileo was a devout Catholic all of his life, even after his condemnation by the Church. Name a single great thinker of the scientific revolution who was kicked out of the Church and then became a protestant leader of the revolution. You cannot because there were no protestant leaders of the scientific revolution during the enlightenment.
Who said the Enlightenment was just about science? That's a minor part to any thinker. And what was Newton, a Catholic?
What about Pierre Bayle, Huguenot Protestant, whom Voltaire praised as “the greatest master of the art of reasoning that ever wrote, Bayle, great and wise, all systems overthrows.”
Bacon?
Was John Locke Catholic? I assume you believe so based on your above statement.
Who first condemned slavery, John Wesley or Voltaire? Wesley was calling it “the scourge of the earth” while Voltaire was defending it as necessary to the economy. But would anyone here know that? I doubt it. The vast majority of atheists believed Locke was a “deist” (Until I quoted his own writings)
Your history perspective is biased and now you have to cross John Locke off your list because he sounds just like the “fundies” you so readily condemn here. Am I right?
And then, do James Madison and the other American Founders count? I mean your post is just laughable.
How about the abolitionists? Were they Catholic? No.
The evangelist Whitefield was credited in a recent book by Professor Nancy Ruttenberg as the author of the Democratic personality, no less. Any idea why she thought so? According to Franklin Philadelphia got enlightened in a way Franklin described as "wonderful," in a week or two actually.
Like I said, you guys are living off the fat spiritual legacy Jesus left behind and you don’t have a clue. You’d have us back in an atheist police state, and we know that because wherever Jesus has been shut out or Christians badly persecuted, democracy and freedom were shut out. Even the "deist" Jefferson said to throw out the "rags of the clergy" and keep the Baby.
Read Jesus’ mission statement in Luke 4 and you will see what drove these great thinkers and preachers to inspire us to democracy and equality while the Catholics were doing nothing of the sort.
(April 17, 2012 at 2:41 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Oh I'm sorry, did Newton receive his revelation about Gravity from a religious source? Oh thats right, he didn't because he got it from a FUCKING APPLE DROPPING ON HIS HEAD.
Pretty lucky God (despite being omnipotent) wasn't around at the time, last time someone gained knowledge from an apple it ended pretty badly for us... apparently.
The point shouldn't be of their origins. It should be, as you so helpfully pointed out, that religion attempted to persecute them for their findings and restrict the knowledge they obtained. The "religious authority" at that time, and this time by the way, were content to simply let any gaps in their knowledge be filled by the barbaric nonsense they've followed for centuries.
Do you think thats a good way to approach human learning or do you concede that religion should stay the fuck out?
I think you should find out 1.what a rhetorical question is, and 2. why Jefferson said that "Christianity, divested of the rags with which the clergy has enveloped it, is the friendliest to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind."
But he was a man who indeed thought for himself, unlike those who merely claim to.
