RE: Evolutionary explanation of morality self-refuting?
April 18, 2012 at 2:34 am
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 2:42 am by FallentoReason.)
I just read most of the posts and I just think genkaus isn't really giving very satisfactory arguments..
Don't get me wrong genkaus, I'm on your side, but being a free thinker I can't accept your reasoning because it's heavily flawed/biased.
genkaus Wrote:Finally, I think you are trying to indicate circular reasoning here. That's wrong as well. Evolutionary processes gave rise to our reasoning faculty. Using our reasoning faculty, we can actually verify the previous statement. That is not circular, because the first statement does not form a part of the second.God gave rise to the Bible. Using the Bible we can actually verify God. That is not circular, because the first statement does not form a part of the second. Clearly circular reasoning.
Quote:1. If God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist. - This is another way of saying "Objective moral values come from god". I can prove this statement wrong by a simple logical formulationSo this relates to the Euthyphro Dilemma. Ok perfect.
Quote:1. For moral values to be objective, they need to exist independently from any entity's mind.Yeah, ideally that's what we want, but what happened to the alternative, which also happens to be the alternative to the Euthyphro Dilemma? God commands something because it's good?
2. If moral values came from god, they would depend on god's mind.
3. Therefore, if moral values come from god, then they are not objective moral values.
4. Therefore, objective moral values can exist only if god does not exist.
Don't get me wrong genkaus, I'm on your side, but being a free thinker I can't accept your reasoning because it's heavily flawed/biased.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle