(April 20, 2012 at 7:58 pm)C Rod Wrote: Second to genkaus: sin is non-transferable? And your right, we have to bear it. And if we do it we are incapable of being with God thus our sin is forgiven and forgotten through Jesus. Want do you exactly want? God has saved us and this is bad, somehow?
Yes, sin is non-transferable. Yes, we shouldn't be with god if we don't deserve to. Ans yes, the "saving" here is bad because it negates justice.
(April 20, 2012 at 7:58 pm)C Rod Wrote: He shouldn't have spent a millisecond down there, he was sinless, it might as well have been an eternity for him.
If he didn't deserve it, then he shouldn't have been there. That was the horrible injustice committed by your god.
But that still does not make one millisecond equal to an eternity. What you are trying to say here is that if someone is wrongful incarcerated, then it doesn't matter if they were in jail for a day or for 10 years. It matters, it very much matters. The injustice done grows every second. And if your god was serious about sticking Jesus with all of crimes of humanity, then he shouldn't have chickened out after three days and let him rot there for all eternity.
(April 20, 2012 at 7:58 pm)C Rod Wrote: As for my comparison; Jesus dies for all of us=our soldiers who die, do it for all of us.
Jesus for man's sins=soldiers for country's freedom/or power or even faults
That's because you don't understand the difference between fault and freedom. Freedom is something that you automatically have - that is yours and should be yours forever. Sin is something that you get as a result of your actions. If we applied your logic here, every time a soldier dies, a criminal should be released from jail, because apparently, the soldier died for his freedom.
(April 20, 2012 at 7:58 pm)C Rod Wrote: How do we keep our freedom? Who is responsible for our mistakes in foreign affairs or the way we police the world, our politicians and citizens or our soldiers?
Is it sacrifice or scapegoating? I think its sacrifice but having a military to fight your battles when probably the ones actually fighting didn't cause a problem seems like scapegoating. Semantics FTW
In this case, it does seem to be scapegoating - not sacrifice. But you are deluding yourself if you think that the soldiers are actually dying for the mistakes made by your politicians or foreign affairs. They are dying for the sake of actual innocent citizens who did do anything wrong, who are not at fault, but whose freedom is at risk because of the foolish actions of the politicians. That is sacrifice.