Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?

[The Grand Nudger]

Believe you just said that the UN advised eating less meat, when have I argued against eating less meat? Oh that's right, never. At what point does "less" become "none"? Oh that's right, never. When have I argued that livestock production does not cause harm to the environment? Oh, that's right, never.

At what point does any of this make the case for ethical veganism (whew, now it's not just vegetarianism, it's veganism)? Oh, that's right.......never.

(I especially like the blurb about fossil fuels btw, and how it is easy to look for alternatives. Sure it's easy to look...strangely we haven't found any yet...lol. Have you noticed that you have a habit of quote mining from papers designed to support the arguments of others, but consistently fail to draw them in to service for your own?)

-and yes, you should have seen this sooner, which is precisely why I am so frustrated with participating in this conversation at this point. I have no "self-interest" in eating meat. I have an interest in feeding people, it's an interest which you too seem to have, the only difference being that I am so invested in this particular interest that I am actually concerned with whether or not any given solution actually works, as opposed to whether or not it aligns itself with my ideology, which is completely neutral with regards to food itself-

You know what, I'm going to save you a hell of alot of time here. I'm was raised on the coast and in swamps. I prefer fish to any other type of meat. I do have a weakness for pork ribs, pork over beef or chicken or anything else. I am a proponent of integrated agriculture (integrated, specifically with aquaculture) and sustainable agricultural practices. I prefer IPM over heavy pesticides, and GMO over "heavy feeders". I am a member of the CFA (Community Farm Alliance) and formerly of a resource conservation and development council. I am a goddamned farmer, by trade, and I've helped many farmers achieve organic certification (this is where the majority of my income is generated, because there is very little money in the actual cultivation of crops for a little guy like myself). My favorite food in the entire world is falafel. All of my clothing is made of cotton, I cannot stand leather, and I do not wear fur coats. Whoever or whatever you think I am is likely to be a fiction you have created in order to argue against, rather than making your own goddamned argument.