RE: Shit man, im a natural born killer!
April 26, 2012 at 9:07 am
(This post was last modified: April 26, 2012 at 9:10 am by NoMoreFaith.)
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: Nobody here would argue here that man is a natural being.
Why wouldn't we? Would we argue that he is a supernatural being? Of course man is a natural being.
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: Most people think that if its nature then it has to be good right?
If it's nature, by default Neutral, it as a concept can have no moral values.
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: People justify smoking a little weed.. because it comes from the earth "its natural" Some people justify homosexuality because its "natural" and other animal species practice it. Or the example i can most relate to, its natural for people to want to try diffenent things that they are told not to, such as drugs and alcohol. They may have some choice at the beginning but once the hooks go in and they become addicted. To be "high" becomes their "natural" state and to be anything other than feels supremely "un natural"
People justify smoking weed not because its natural, deadly nightshade is natural, but people don't eat that. Its justified mainly on the harm principle that if you are doing no harm to other people. Likewise would go with homosexuality, what does it matter what people do in private if they aren't hurting anyone.
Addictive drugs cause harm, and the addiction themselves can lead to harm to themselves and others which is the primary reason for them to be considered immoral.
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: Do you think human beings are born evil and have to learn to be good?
I think human beings are born neutral, as a social creature. Learning to live socially successfully with the inherent values of that society becoming ingrained through childhood.
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: or do you think we are born good and at some point turn evil or have evil tendencies now and then?
Born Neutral, again, what is considered good and evil is dictated by the society. The causes of anti-social behaviour (rather than the label evil) are rooted in individual experiences within that society that may cause rebellion against certain accepted rules.
Most behaviour is derived from nurture rather than nature.
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: Its kind of scary to think but there are alot of people that wont kill you simply because they dont want to go to jail for a long time.
Or go to hell because merely because they thought about something sinful.
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: Some people will kill you and not care if they go to jail for it. These kind of people usually have had a bad childhood, no guidence and nobody to give a crap about them their whole life.
Hence nurture over nature in most things. The nature is to avoid pain, enjoy pleasure and ensure survival. The nuture is how to limit these things towards the survival of the society which supports these things.
A wolf can survive by itself, but it is more likely to survive, enjoy pleasure and avoid pain being part of a pack and adhering to the pack rules.
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: If we are souless matter and its all random, then the feelings we feel, the bonds we make with other people, our thoughts and beliefs, everything. Its all just a never ending chain of chemical reactions.
why are you concerned with how anybody is treated? animal rights? equality for all men and women? fairness?
Why is it wrong when somebody cuts me off on the highway to beat their brains out with a hammer? Thats what comes natural to me at 1st thought. Its natural to lie to get out of trouble or get ahead. its natural to kill those that oppose you.
Its quite simple. Life is a wonderful experience, and in order to enjoy it, relies on a constant mutual agreement not to inflict harm. This is how the Golden Rule becomes so basic to most moral outlooks.
Life is wonderful, so I don't mess with you, and you don't mess with me.
You can breach those rules if you like, but society will protect itself like an organism, weeding out unhealthy aspects through law.
Sometimes these aspects get out of control, and society disintergrates.
This is why, most societies have a similar consensus on basic morality, because those that don't.. don't survive. You can draw certain parallels with natural selection.
(April 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm)deciple Wrote: How is man the only animal that can defy his very nature?
I don't think that we do. We do what is necessary to survive like all things in nature. Part of survival in a social group is adhering to the social rules which support our beneficial way of life.
Failing to do so, will be detrimental to either our own survival, or to our pleasures.
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If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm
