(April 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm)Stimbo Wrote:ALTER2EGO -to- STIMBO:(April 29, 2012 at 2:50 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: The evidence that you speak of amounts to speculations as scientists attempt to explain why things are as they are in the universe. They don't know why, so they speculate. If they knew, the term Big Bang would have dropped the word "theory."
The evidence of which I speak is detectable, measurable and predictable using equipment available to anyone. This stuff isn't some vast hidden conspiracy; pick up a textbook, go to your local observatory, open your damn eyes and look at the sky. All of the tools we have at our disposal - telescopes, x-ray satellites, microwave detectors, mathematics, not to mention higly trained and specialsed men and women who dedicate a good portion of their lives to discovering all this stuff - discover masses of data which, by some amazing coincidence [/irony] manages not to contradict all of the other data from all other independent but related fields. Thus, the measured age of the Earth doesn't make it older than the measured age of the Universe - though in point of fact this was not always the case and was, until more careful measurements were made, one of the major stumbling blocks preventing the Big Bang model from being accepted. So it's not like some cabal of scientists got together, made up a story and we liked it so much we decided to throw gods out of the picture and go with this one.
You're not getting the point I made when I previously told you the scientists are speculating. Of course they can detect and measure and try to predict with their equipment. That's not the issue. There's no disputing the existence of the universe and the precision in it that makes it possible for humans studying it to be able to detect, measure, and predict certain things. But the discussion you and I are having is this: How could precision exist in the universe without an intelligent person having guided the outcome? Your argument is that as long as humans can detect what exists, God didn't do it, it happened by itself. My position is that intelligent design is evidence that it was done deliberately--and this points to the existence of an intelligent Designer/God.
