(April 28, 2012 at 12:31 am)Minimalist Wrote: I can only assume that you are fairly loose with all your "facts" which is actually pretty typical of xtians throughout history.
I never said he was a Christian, and that has nothing to do with what I said of course. I clearly said he was an atheist
Yeah you assume all kinds of things because of your selective reading habits apparently. I read everything, knowing the truth is probably in the middle somewhere, like any intelligent person does.
My claim is exactly correct. Here is what Wells wrote in his Short History of the world:
"Our only direct sources of information about the life and teaching of Jesus are the four Gospels.
All four agree in giving us a picture of a very definite personality. One is obliged to say, “Here was a man.
This could not have been invented.” 4
....He was clearly a person—to use a common phrase—of intense personal magnetism. He attracted followers and filled them with love and courage. Weak and ailing people were heartened and healed by his presence....
He went about the country for three years spreading his doctrine and then he came to Jerusalem and was accused of trying to set up a strange kingdom in Judea; he was tried upon this charge, and crucified together with two thieves. Long before these two were dead his sufferings were over...
The doctrine of the Kingdom of Heaven, which was the main teaching of Jesus, is certainly one of the most revolutionary doctrines that ever stirred and changed human thought. It is small wonder if the world of that time failed to grasp its full significance, and recoiled in dismay from even a half apprehension of its tremendous challenges to the established habits and institutions of mankind..."
Edited for relevant info.
Read the whole thing yourself on Bartleby.com. It gets worse for your simplistic case.
What you will find is that either you or he is completely full of nonsense. There is no in between. For most atheists it all has to be black and white, like the fundies they disdain. Wells is not a Christian but he doesn't need to be in order to know Jesus was a real and most extraordinary person. I doubt he would bother to converse with Dawkins or Carrier. C.S. Lewis, maybe.
But tell us, why does he say.
"This could not have been invented." Obviously he knows what fishermenn can do and what they can't do, unlike yourself.