RE: Fine Tuning Argument
May 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2012 at 2:04 pm by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
I don't know if this works really. In order to say that God is "fine tuned" one would have to know probabilities data about him. Theists/deists usually think of God as eternal. God then didn't have a cause. He didn't need to fine tuned because there's no possible way in which he could not exist I guess is what I'm trying to say.
If you want to defeat the fine tuning argument, one way that might be good is by Bo Bennett in his book "The Concept." In someways his argument makes sense, but someways it doesn't so I have to think about some more, but keep it in mind.
If you want to defeat the fine tuning argument, one way that might be good is by Bo Bennett in his book "The Concept." In someways his argument makes sense, but someways it doesn't so I have to think about some more, but keep it in mind.
Quote:Theists want you to imagine God creating the universe at a desk (any kind of desk will do), adjusting a whole bunch of dials to the exact correct setting that allows for the universe to exist and life to exist within it. The problem with this image is that this assumes that there are “settings” that God has to follow — that he is subordinate to. If God were to create all the initial conditions of the universe, there would be no “adjustments” necessary — everything would be as it is upon creation.
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The perfect God of the Bible, or any “first cause” outside the universe, is not subject to any universal laws that do not yet exist. What this ultimately means is that no intelligence is necessary for this creation. Without any pre-existing laws to follow, anything goes. If there is a powerful force that is the first cause of the universe, it could be as dumb as a dodo bird and still result in the world we live in today — life and all.
Intelligence is only needed to make laws in a universe where the laws made are subject to higher fundamental laws.
My ignore list
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
