RE: Atheists are Intolerant
May 6, 2012 at 11:16 am
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2012 at 11:44 am by Abishalom.)
(May 6, 2012 at 10:47 am)Napoleon Wrote: No true scotsman fallacy. The catholic church are christians are they not?It's not a fallacy when said group (Catholic commits acts that are not acceptable to in said group's religious text (the bible). I guess you blatantly ignored the FACT that the Bible was BANNED and nobody could translate into English for many centuries. I'm sure the bible told them to do that. Or how about this one...Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were atheists, were they not? So it goes both ways.
Your point is mute.
Quote:Fact of the matter is people were killed in the name of christianity. It's also funny you say that I'm confusing the deeds of the catholic church with religion as a whole, as though that somehow takes weight away from my argument?All I can say is that they bible speak out blatantly against oppression and such evils as were committed by the Catholic church in those times. But either way I'm not even a Catholic (nor have I ever been) so this is a moot point.
Quote:It is also a good point, that "religion as a whole" has been detrimental to the human race. So thanks for helping raise that.Right...
Quote:The teachings of the bible or of christianity are of no consequence. If people will murder in its name then you cannot discount christianity itself as one of the primary causes for this.Ok I get it...so if someone commits said acts and identifies himself with said group it is the groups fault for the individual actions even if said group does not teach such aberrations. So then we should blame atheism for these people...
http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-peopl...-bad-name/
Quote:"How many of these people do you suppose were atheist"Right I'm sure it doesn't matter to you so long as you can make blanket statements to support your fallacious claims. So the claim I mentioned above must only apply to Christians...I get it.
AS THOUGH IT FUCKING MATTERS?
Quote:All those people I listed there died or were oppressed regardless of what fucking label you wish to put on them. It is YOU who wishes to place these such labels not me.You're the one claiming atheist had it so bad. Now you want to run away from your statement (typical).
Quote:I am telling you in no uncertain terms, and with clear evidence to back it up, that MILLIONS of people, regardless of who they are, have died in the name of not just christianity, but religion.Yes millions of peopled died. But that was not your claim. Your claim singles out ATHEISTS. We're not talking about everybody. A good proportion of those people were Christian believers (but you cannot claim those).
Quote:Yet you are sitting there and the exception you take is whether they were atheist or not?If you make a claim, then you better be able to actually back it up. Obviously you cannot.
(May 6, 2012 at 10:49 am)tobie Wrote: Abishalom: It frequently says in the bible that you should kill people who believe in no god, or don't believe in the same one as you, or even don't listen to a priest's judgement. For example:Well the first verse is speaking about accepting a judgement form the judge in matters of controversy.
Deuteronomy 17:12
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 17:2-5
Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the Lord your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.
As for the second one it is speaking about serving other gods. Now if you were aware about some of the evils practiced in the surrounding pagan religions you would understand the punishment. The heathen nations around Israel practiced human sacrifice to idols.
Quote:They do commit less crimes. I forget the exact statistics, but over 90% of the US prison population are theists.Well I'm sure they do but that's beside the point.