RE: Atheists are Intolerant
May 6, 2012 at 4:30 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2012 at 4:33 pm by Abishalom.)
@Cinjin Ok I will address those verses...
2) Numbers 31:7-18 Basically they went to war and divided the spoils. I'm not sure where the rape and torture is here.
3) Deuteronomy 20:10-14 Here it simply say when you go to war offer peace first. If they accept they will serve you (Hebrew interlinear) your version says slaves. But when you consider "slavery" in the bible it is nothing like slavery was in American. There are guidelines, which are to upheld. The "slave" has the freedom to walk whenever he/she chooses, and you cannot harm the "slave" in any way. Thus no rape and torture.
4) Deuteronomy 21:10-14 Again you can see here that she has the choose to LEAVE if she will and she cannot be sold for money. So no rape and torture here.
5) Judges 5:30 Here what it says in the Hebrew interlinear...
Judges 5:30 Have they not sped? have they [not] divided the prey; to every man a damsel [or] two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, [meet] for the necks of [them that take] the spoil?
It seems to me to be someone answered a question. I'm not sure where the rape and torture is though.
6) Exodus 21:7-11 It says if her master is not pleased with her she shall be redeemed and that he cannot sell her. If he gave her to his son, he must treat her like a daughter. If he took another wife he must treat them both equally (Hebrew interlinear) so no rape and torture here.
7) Zachariah 14:1-2 Basically here it's talking about the enemies of Israel going to battle with them and doing to them what they did to their enemies. So justice served.
You made the claim that God condones kidnapping and raping. But you haven't shown this in ANY of these verses. None of these verse include the phrase "and God said" or "and the Lord said". These just narratives of events that happened to the Israelites. And obviously they were repaid for their wrong doing (Zachariah 14:1-2) because their enemies returned the favor.
(May 6, 2012 at 3:15 pm)Cinjin Wrote:1) Judges 21:10-24 Ok no doubt those are bad things. But I did not see a commandment to do those tings. In fact the very next verse (that was conveniently left off) says "[25] In those days [there was] no king in Israel: every man did [that which was] right in his own eyes." So in other words they had no ruler and did what they thought was right, according to the individual. I think we can both agree that this is not an effective way to live.
2) Numbers 31:7-18 Basically they went to war and divided the spoils. I'm not sure where the rape and torture is here.
3) Deuteronomy 20:10-14 Here it simply say when you go to war offer peace first. If they accept they will serve you (Hebrew interlinear) your version says slaves. But when you consider "slavery" in the bible it is nothing like slavery was in American. There are guidelines, which are to upheld. The "slave" has the freedom to walk whenever he/she chooses, and you cannot harm the "slave" in any way. Thus no rape and torture.
4) Deuteronomy 21:10-14 Again you can see here that she has the choose to LEAVE if she will and she cannot be sold for money. So no rape and torture here.
5) Judges 5:30 Here what it says in the Hebrew interlinear...
Judges 5:30 Have they not sped? have they [not] divided the prey; to every man a damsel [or] two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, [meet] for the necks of [them that take] the spoil?
It seems to me to be someone answered a question. I'm not sure where the rape and torture is though.
6) Exodus 21:7-11 It says if her master is not pleased with her she shall be redeemed and that he cannot sell her. If he gave her to his son, he must treat her like a daughter. If he took another wife he must treat them both equally (Hebrew interlinear) so no rape and torture here.
7) Zachariah 14:1-2 Basically here it's talking about the enemies of Israel going to battle with them and doing to them what they did to their enemies. So justice served.
You made the claim that God condones kidnapping and raping. But you haven't shown this in ANY of these verses. None of these verse include the phrase "and God said" or "and the Lord said". These just narratives of events that happened to the Israelites. And obviously they were repaid for their wrong doing (Zachariah 14:1-2) because their enemies returned the favor.