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Atheists are Intolerant
RE: Atheists are Intolerant
(May 7, 2012 at 4:55 am)ElDinero Wrote:
(May 6, 2012 at 9:16 pm)Abishalom Wrote:


See, if you'd answered my original post with 'I am an idiotic bigoted cunt', we'd have saved a lot of time wasting.

You seem to be suggesting that all laws are just, and that disobeying laws is worse than putting into practice laws that are, by any normal measuring stick, unfair. With this being the case, how can anyone effect change? Take your statement that 'Hypothetically, if there was a death penalty for homosexuality would you be a homosexual', and now imagine it like this - 'If there was a jail sentence for black people sitting at the front of the bus, would you sit at the front of the bus if you were black?'. Would you say that black people should have just taken their lot and got on with things? Or do we indeed have a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws? These aren't rhetorical questions, I'd love to know your opinion.

You are a bigot, and I wonder if you're willing to admit it. Either that or you're just trying to get a reaction. Your final remark that 'So not many people would be getting killed. Okay?' screams of an attention seeker looking for a response. Obviously it is not ok if one person, two people, a few people, or a million people are put to death for being homosexual - I ask again, do YOU think it is? Do you feel it is morally correct for someone to be killed for that? I've asked you once already and you've skirted the issue enough. Tell me what YOUR opinion is.
Oh, and as a footnote - I don't know why you're suggesting I should reconsider my view, perhaps you could clarify what you meant here. My position on the subject is quite clear, and I can justify it very easily. I don't think anyone should be punished in any way for their sexuality, because it's nothing to do with anybody else and doesn't affect anyone else.

If you can give me sound reason to divert from that view, I certainly will reconsider. Best of luck, bigot.
Obviously I took the bait on your "loaded question" all you wanted to do is yell "bigot". I do not know how you draw the conjecture that I think all laws are just. And I find quite comical that you actually just compared laws against homosexuality to laws against being black (typical). I never read a bible story about homosexuals getting the death penalties, but I read about 400+ years of horror on blacks in America. So I find your "comparison" quite offensive. I highly doubt you're in a position to speak for black people. Maybe you're the bigot and possibly racist or just plain ignorant.

What do I mean by "reconsider your views"? I mean the same thing you did. As for you claiming I'm seeking a response... "screams of an attention seeker looking for a response"...you're the one begging for me to respond so you can yell "bigot'. Do I condone homosexuality? No, but just keep it yourself. Do I think it's moral to "kill homosexuals"? Well I wouldn't go around "stoning" them. You "begged" me to be hypothetical. So I played your little game. If their actually was a law for homosexuality, as stated before you we need witnesses and substantial evidence to prove (which is highly unlikely). So you're just going to have to accept that as my answer.
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Atheists are Intolerant - by DeeTee - May 6, 2012 at 2:54 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Phil - May 6, 2012 at 2:56 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 6, 2012 at 9:37 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 10:19 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 10:28 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Mister Agenda - May 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Heff - May 6, 2012 at 9:53 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 9:59 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 10:30 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 10:47 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 11:16 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 6, 2012 at 3:15 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by LastPoet - May 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 6, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by LastPoet - May 6, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 10:09 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Jackalope - May 6, 2012 at 3:04 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by padraic - May 6, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cyberman - May 6, 2012 at 3:32 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Welsh cake - May 6, 2012 at 3:34 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Kayenneh - May 6, 2012 at 3:40 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Jackalope - May 6, 2012 at 3:42 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 3:42 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by 5thHorseman - May 6, 2012 at 3:46 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Heff - May 6, 2012 at 4:52 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by KichigaiNeko - May 6, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cyberman - May 6, 2012 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Creed of Heresy - May 6, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by NoMoreFaith - May 6, 2012 at 6:00 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by KichigaiNeko - May 6, 2012 at 6:00 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Faith No More - May 6, 2012 at 6:56 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by NoMoreFaith - May 6, 2012 at 7:19 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 7:26 am
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RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Xyster - May 6, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Grand Nudger - May 6, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Creed of Heresy - May 6, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Paul the Human - May 6, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Paul the Human - May 6, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Phil - May 6, 2012 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 10:47 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 6, 2012 at 11:01 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 6, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Paul the Human - May 6, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 6, 2012 at 10:49 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Phil - May 6, 2012 at 10:53 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 10:53 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 6, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 11:37 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 6, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by 5thHorseman - May 6, 2012 at 11:46 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 6, 2012 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by 5thHorseman - May 6, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 6, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 6, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Minimalist - May 6, 2012 at 1:46 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 1:59 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 6, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 6, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 2:35 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Grand Nudger - May 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by LastPoet - May 6, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 6, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Shell B - May 6, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 6, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Reforged - May 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Jackalope - May 6, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by DeeTee - May 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Heff - May 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 5:53 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by NoMoreFaith - May 6, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tempus - May 6, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Jackalope - May 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 8, 2012 at 9:27 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Norfolk And Chance - May 6, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 6, 2012 at 5:08 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 6, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 6, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 6, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 6:18 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 7, 2012 at 9:38 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Aegrus - May 6, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Nine - May 6, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 6, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 6, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 4:55 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 7, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 11:24 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 7, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 6, 2012 at 7:37 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 6, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Creed of Heresy - May 6, 2012 at 9:17 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Creed of Heresy - May 6, 2012 at 9:46 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by padraic - May 6, 2012 at 9:58 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by DeeTee - May 7, 2012 at 5:17 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Creed of Heresy - May 7, 2012 at 5:46 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 6:10 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Creed of Heresy - May 7, 2012 at 6:33 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Reforged - May 7, 2012 at 6:37 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Creed of Heresy - May 7, 2012 at 6:43 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Reforged - May 7, 2012 at 6:53 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 7, 2012 at 7:30 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Creed of Heresy - May 7, 2012 at 8:01 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 7, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Phil - May 7, 2012 at 9:22 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by LastPoet - May 7, 2012 at 9:17 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 7, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 7, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 7, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Sciwoman - May 7, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Grand Nudger - May 7, 2012 at 1:45 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 7, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Mister Agenda - May 7, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by LastPoet - May 7, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 7, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 7, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by DeeTee - May 7, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Heff - May 7, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by genkaus - May 7, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Mister Agenda - May 8, 2012 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Annik - May 7, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Tobie - May 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Heff - May 7, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by The Grand Nudger - May 7, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Annik - May 7, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 7:12 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Cinjin - May 7, 2012 at 10:28 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by padraic - May 7, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Napoléon - May 7, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 7, 2012 at 7:53 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 7, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by ElDinero - May 8, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 7, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 7, 2012 at 10:40 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Annik - May 7, 2012 at 10:45 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 7, 2012 at 10:46 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Annik - May 7, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Reforged - May 8, 2012 at 9:37 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by NoMoreFaith - May 8, 2012 at 9:29 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Epimethean - May 8, 2012 at 9:44 am
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Abishalom - May 19, 2012 at 5:38 pm
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RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by padraic - May 8, 2012 at 7:22 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by AthiestAtheist - May 9, 2012 at 3:00 pm
RE: Atheists are Intolerant - by Minimalist - May 19, 2012 at 6:14 pm
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