RE: There's no nicer way to say this but...
May 9, 2012 at 7:01 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2012 at 7:02 pm by kılıç_mehmet.)
Quote:Okay, you are now never allowed to marry the person you love. That should be fine, right? No. It's ludicrous. People in love want to be married.,
That is not what I said. But I said that love can exist without marriage. Marriage is just a social and economical aspect of legitimizing the relationship between two people. Certainly, how legitimate the relationship between two people of the same sex is debatable. They certainly receive not much public acceptance.
People in love can live without marriage. Then why "get married"?
These all have their specific purposes, and none are even remotely related to love.
None, whatsoever.
Quote:I worry about how your kids will be raised.As Turkish nationalists, of course.
Quote:What if a woman wants a child, but doesn't want a husband? And by the way, your sexism upsets me. Fuck you. I don't need a husband because I'm weak. I don't need a husband at all.Well, I hope she can bear the burden of raising a child alone.
Not really my concern how people choose to handle their illegitimate children. I am only concerned with preventing the birth of illegitimate children, as their parents are people who willingly or unwillingly defy social order and the concept of the traditional family.
If you don't need a husband, be my guest. I need a wife.
Quote:So, you're against basic human rights. Gotcha.Since when is granting people who do not deserve the privilage, not the right, to marriage is going against the human rights convention?
This is bullshit. Basic human rights crap. Have we denied gays food, shelter, protection of law or public health insurance? Don't they share the same rights as we do?
They do. So I demand only respect from their part.
Quote:Homosexuals want to marry for the same reasons everyone else wants to get married. Next you'll be telling me the Jews are evil and that's why it's okay to starve them to death.Well, true there. They want public acceptance, that's it. They want their condition to be "normalized" and publicized the way a normal relationship is. Marriage, here is an important step.
Quote:The state is responsible for it's pocketbook. Have no illusions, government has not cared for the good of the people in a long time. Additionally, homosexuality is normal. We see it often in nature. The politicians are just trying to save their own asses so they can get re-elected.Well, homosexuality is "natural", true. But normal? No. Are children with down syndrome normal? Absolutely not. Neither are homosexuals.
I could tell you this, friend, if there was no society at all, and no government that is formed from this society, marriage would not exist. Marriage is a sanctimony of the relationship of two people in public eyes, while giving them the same sanctity in the eyes of the state.
This is why you are able to share property legally, these have been defined in laws since ancient times. Since ancient times, marriage has been a social/governmental institution.
Quote:Everything effects society in some way. So, Mehmet, unless you are against everything, come up with actual reasons for your bigotry.It depends on how it will affect society. I'm sure that your society will not benefit from the legalisation of gay marriage. Really, if anything, it will probably serve to do the exact opposite.
Well, you do what you want to do over there. Here, things will never run that way, thankfully.
Quote:I don't oppose it, because it has nothing to do with me. Marriages can make such an awful mess should it go wrong, legal matters and all. Not to mention the expense. I don't quite like the idea of marriage.If one would ask a person like you, nothing has anything to do with you.
Marriages make such an awful mess these days, true. This is because everyone seems to have forgotten about what marriage was truly about. Now it's an overtly romanticized concept of "love for life". Why really get married for love? Can't you love without getting married? You sure can.
Quote:Yeah, you're a little behind. Don't worry, you'll catch up eventually. You need to keep up with the times and be more tolerant.From my point of view, we're quite ahead, actually. Not from your viewpoint though, I think that western society eventually regresses backwards. The age of losing one's virginity decreases, teen pregnancies on rise, homosexuality is becoming "normal" like in some ancient and medieval societies...You're like going backwards...You just don't understand it.
At the end, we'll be standing, while you've already crumbled to dust.
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