RE: There's no nicer way to say this but...
May 9, 2012 at 7:42 pm
(May 9, 2012 at 7:01 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: That is not what I said. But I said that love can exist without marriage. Marriage is just a social and economical aspect of legitimizing the relationship between two people. Certainly, how legitimate the relationship between two people of the same sex is debatable. They certainly receive not much public acceptance.
People in love can live without marriage. Then why "get married"?
These all have their specific purposes, and none are even remotely related to love.
None, whatsoever.
It's not anyone's place but they couple's to determine how legitimate their relationship is. Your view of marriage is very cold. I'd like to get married because of my own feelings for another person. I don't care if we'd never jointly own anything because that's not why people get married. People get married so that they can be married. People can also live without chocolate or beer, but they doesn't mean people don't buy them. Yes, love exists outside marriage, but people in love usually want to be married.
Quote:As Turkish nationalists, of course.
Then I especially fear for your children. Teach them a little challenge for authority if only to make sure they don't become victims of it. This should not be taken in context of religion or politics, but any people can become oppressed and they need to have the tools to stick up for themselves.
Quote:Well, I hope she can bear the burden of raising a child alone.
Not really my concern how people choose to handle their illegitimate children. I am only concerned with preventing the birth of illegitimate children, as their parents are people who willingly or unwillingly defy social order and the concept of the traditional family.
If you don't need a husband, be my guest. I need a wife.
I don't think of children as a burden, but a joy. And I'm sure they are legitimately children and not some robot (I don't like that turn for children not born of a marriage). Then are you are pro-choice and pro-birth control? (<- I don't mean this offensively or rhetorically, I am just curious)
Quote:Since when is granting people who do not deserve the privilage, not the right, to marriage is going against the human rights convention?
This is bullshit. Basic human rights crap. Have we denied gays food, shelter, protection of law or public health insurance? Don't they share the same rights as we do?
They do. So I demand only respect from their part.
These are your fellow humans, you're not empathizing with them. Put yourself in their shoes. If you weren't allowed to marry the person you loved most in the world and additionally, you were told that your love wasn't legitimate, don't you think you'd be a little upset. Marriage has been around longer than most societies and I'd considered no one's business who anyone wanted to marry because that's their choice. It doesn't hurt them and it doesn't hurt anyone else.
Quote:Well, true there. They want public acceptance, that's it. They want their condition to be "normalized" and publicized the way a normal relationship is. Marriage, here is an important step.
They should be accepted. There's no reason for them not to be, logically.
Quote:Well, homosexuality is "natural", true. But normal? No. Are children with down syndrome normal? Absolutely not. Neither are homosexuals.
I could tell you this, friend, if there was no society at all, and no government that is formed from this society, marriage would not exist. Marriage is a sanctimony of the relationship of two people in public eyes, while giving them the same sanctity in the eyes of the state.
This is why you are able to share property legally, these have been defined in laws since ancient times. Since ancient times, marriage has been a social/governmental institution.
Homosexuality is not Down's Syndrome. Left-handedness isn't normal, either. We don't kill people because of it (anymore). Homosexuality is not a diseases or disorder, it's a state of being. It's not something you can pick, either. I can hope and wish and want to be sexually attracted to women, but I won't be. And marriage, in some kind of form, would exist. Humans want to pair up, we want company. It might not be how it is now, but it'd be around.