RE: There's no nicer way to say this but...
May 11, 2012 at 9:13 am
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2012 at 9:19 am by kılıç_mehmet.)
Quote:..Of course, I do not tolerate everything, just as you do not tolerate everything. Obviously, you too have standards on what you do tolerate and what you don't. I respect gays as long as they respect me. No one can come up to me, and just demand respect. They have to earn it. But that respect too, has a limit. If I believe that my own, or the boundaries of the people are being crossed, I see this as a sign of disrespect, and there, I will respectfully refuse them their demands.
Oh please, the intolerence is plain to see. You honestly want to tell me if a man is found to be gay hes treated with respect like everyone else?
Bull and you know it.
Quote:In what sense am I distorting your words? You said it would cause the "pillars of society" to crumble.You spoke of it as it was the only thing contributing to it. Thankfully, it isn't a prime contributor yet. But who knows what really the future holds. You aim for a society where no distinction between the homosexual and straight person exists. But this is a distinction that was laid down thousands of years ago, and has not changed yet in the minds of many.
It can't, because it contradicts our nature. We need certain norms. Breaking these norms will destroy everything that is tied to it. Marriage, and family, two very important institutions, with which society cannot survive.
Quote:How long till you admit that you can't stand the thought of man on man action so muchAnd I guess you are able to do that, eh? Why aren't you homosexual yet?
Besides, as I said such things are irrelevant.
I also cannot stand the thought of siblings having sex with eachother.
Neither can you. But obviously homosexuals are just at a different place in your mind, even though both are doing what you always told me that they were doing. Hurting no one. Why don't they deserve to be treated as "normals" in society, and practice their ways openly?
Quote:you can't allow anyone who pursues that life to be treated with the same basic dignity.I personally do not determine the dignitiy of a person by their sexual orientation. But obviously, the fact that they enjoy man-man action is supposed to be their criteria for determining how dignified they are before society!
They request dignity from others due to the fact that they are homosexuals. That is not really my concern.
Quote:They're a skapegoat, a controversial issue dredged up and denied time and time again so morons don't turn their attentions to the issues that *could* destroy our countries because they're so preoccupied with where their cocks are going.As I said, they are a political issue in your own country perhaps. Maybe you are just lacking in ideals, problems, or both, that your politicians have turned to harvesting votes using things that should not be even a point of discussion.
Besides, I believe that the west will eventually destroy itself, from within.
This high level of cosmopolitan thought that leaves no place for public ideals, traditions, customs will simply get people not to care too much about what happens to their society, as long as their pockets are full.
That's what it's all about though.
Quote: Its about time we gave them the same basic rightsWell, you do that.
Quote:we can stop acting like children when it comes to peoples sexuality and focus on adult matters.And I believe that homosexuals act like adults when they really think that their marriage will really constitute a "marriage" and just because they can adopt kids they will constitute real parents?
Don't make me laugh.
It's like a child, creating a makeshift cart from materials and thinking that it will run like a ferrari.
I believe that the actual childlike mind of homosexuals, and their supporters just do not want to hear the brutal truths about society and what constitutes marrige and family.
As I said, tis' not about rights.
(May 11, 2012 at 8:57 am)Tiberius Wrote: @mehmet: My problem with your argument is the use of the word "privilege". The government did not invent marriage; why should they invoke any right to give it out as a "privilege"?
The government is the legal standing point of marriage. It doesn't really matter if they invented marriage or not. But marriage was there, ever since antiquity, a privilage granted to the parties by society and any form of government that recognized their union. It was a privilage given to men and women who wished to live together and raise a family, to legally and socially bind them, with more than just "love".
If they do not invoke this, they could just outlaw it. What good would that do for you? Could you still get married? Of course not, it has no legal standpoint.
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