(May 15, 2012 at 11:55 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Internationally, the worth of our tribe cannot be weighed. We are not united yet. So the fact that the country I live in has a lesser worth than the US, does not mean that my people are weighed in full by the others. Actually, they are, for that reason most of the world does not want a fully unified Turan.
Just as they do not want a fully unified Arabia.
Those two things would bring about the end of the western yoke on the world.
And would replace it with a Turkic yoke on the world. You are deluding yourself if you think that if your nation rose to power it would somehow take the altruistic route and work for the betterment of everyone else. You would do as the west does: Business before pleasure before charity, if indeed you even managed to get that far with your ideals. As you said about your own ideology:
Quote:Well, what really is so wrong with that?
Do you not do the same?
No. In fact there are very, very many in the western world who frown upon our own imperialistic ways, be they the genuine imperialism of the past or the corporate imperialism of today, neither of which the average citizen actively participates in. You, on the other hand, by admission, consider your own ideals superior to all others. And that, THAT is why a Turkic superpower would be a horrible thing if it were realized in your image; because when someone believes their ideology over everyone else, they will not stop at their own borders with it. After all, you continually make analogies to the huns and turks and how they basically dominated a huge chunk of the world through military action.
You and your kind, trusted with superpower status? HAH! I think not. It is amusing to me, too, that you talk up your barbarian ancestors who were well-known for their rape and murder sprees as they burned and razed cities, yet then decry the instantaneous snuffing of civilian lives from bombs. When the US invaded Iraq, even if it was naive and foolish, it was under the guise of deliverance from an oppressive dictator, and in a sense, that is what it did. Where your barbaric ancestors basically rode into the towns, burned EVERYTHING and killed or enslaved as many as they could, we at least TRIED to show restraint, and for the most part, succeeded. Obviously, there were accidents, and there were a few men who lost sight of their morals and values and took to murder themselves but on the vast major whole we were not, and when it happened, there was remorse.
And as you show, there is no remorse from your ancestors for their actions, not even from their descendants. You may talk up the "worth of unity" and of "overthrowing the yoke of the west" all you like, but from the perspective of history, from the perspective of modern economics, and from the perspective of both historical and modern politics, as Genkaus put it: You have no worth. Nothing notable to contribute to the world. And therefore you have no leverage. Until you have leverage, you have a hollow cause.
