(May 16, 2012 at 5:53 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(May 16, 2012 at 5:44 pm)Tobie Wrote: The Germans may have had a more powerful military force, but that in no way makes them inherently better as a race. You rest on the laurels of people who lived centuries ago, like Alp Arslan. Winning a few battles 1,000 years ago does not make you superior. If the superiority of a race was to be determined by past military history, it would be the French we'd be surrendering to, not the turks.Their military force aside, Germans were also a very disciplined people. Their national pride and ethnic consciousness was unparalelled, and they had the willpower to work towards a common goal.
Obviously, they are a much better race in that regard.
True, they had once feasted upon the remains of the Romans, but they managed to transcend this, and did not adopt the Latin identity, unlike some others(French, English and Spanish), and were responsible for the creation of many dynasties, including the Rurik Dynasty in Russia.
Turks and Germans are very alike, however, they lacked the innovative and expansionist spirit of Turks, and some other peoples like the Slavs.
Our superiority does not just rest on Alp Arslan. He is just one amongst the many we can try to be worthy of in the future.
Our past military history is greater than the French, for the French are known to have fought only very few people throughout the ages.
Their only significant contribution to Europe was to save it from the Arabs . And that, by the way, was done by the "Franks" who were a Germanic tribe, from whom the French have adopted the name from.
Gauls, who call themselves by a Germanic name, who speak latin?
Obviously they do not even qualify.
1) The Rurik dynasty in Russia was founded by the Rus tribe of Vikings (called Varangians by the Greeks and Slavs) , not Germans
2) The French still have the best military record in Europe, if not the world.
3) The French have made many significant contributions to the world, in Art and Science especially.
4) Your entire case for superiority seems to rest on military leaders that are long since dead, such as Temujin and Alp Arslan. Their military prowess does not make you superior to every non-turk on this world. The Arabs, which you seem to disparage so often, have had just as impressive leaders, such as Khalid ibn al-Walid. So have the British, the Americans, the Germans.