(May 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm)Jinkies Wrote:(May 21, 2012 at 1:20 pm)NoahsFarce Wrote: By the way, this mirrors a Theist vs Atheist debate. Vegans are the theists here.
That's pretty hilarious, since I see it as the exact opposite. All I have done is point out flaws in your logic and reasoning. You have thrown out multiple straw man arguments, threw out naturalistic fallacies, professed your "faith" (believing things purely for cultural reasons), claimed objective morality exists (and claimed I believe it for some reason, probably due to your failure to understand what objective morality actually is), evidenced a complete failure to understand logic, and completely misrepresented me at every opportunity. Your actions are incredibly disingenuous, your reasoning is an abject failure, and I see no reason to continue this conversation.
In other words, you think what you think and aren't open for debate so you quit.
I NEVER once said I believe in objective morality. I said SOME might be and others NOT. You are the only one that displayed a belief in objective morality. Your comment about how you would rule-out meat consumption if you had that power is an example of this. If you do not believe meat consumption is objectively immoral, then why would you ban such an act?
I don't misinterpret your comments nor do I misunderstand it. I pose questions to you in attempt to understand your position. Instead, I get opinions stated as fact. You spit a factory farming statistic at me insinuating that all of these factories are bad. I responded with how I think a more appropriate statistic would be one that shows how many of this majority do things like ram cows with forklifts.
I never once used a naturalistic argument to defend my position. I said it MIGHT be good enough as sometimes it is good enough. A naturalistic argument is good enough when it comes to why we should copulate. So I ask you why it's not good enough for meat consumption?
It is YOU that speaks in absolutes. Not me. I have said it over and over that Vegans very well might hold the more moralistic ground. I have no issue whatsoever with that. My issue is with Vegans like you who try to accuse meat eaters like me of being immoral. That is what you're saying after all. If you view the act of killing animals for flesh as immoral, then you must view me as immoral for consuming this meat or killing the animal myself.
No, the theist is still you. We are BORN OMNIVORES. You vegans go completely against this natural explanation and indoctrinate your children and others into your belief system. I just continue to be what I was born as and will not change until I see solid evidence showing me that I'm being immoral for consuming meat.
You have not showed me that evidence. As I've said, evidence was enough for me to leave religion. I'm fully prepared to stop eating meat if you show me the same level of evidence.
"Believing things purely for cultural reasons..."
Way to not read my explanation on this matter. Again a theistic tactic. Picking and choosing parts of comments to twist them to your purpose. Putting words into my mouth...
"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically.”
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
-Neil deGrasse Tyson