Banning the Burqa?

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Note: I'll pick a few things to respond to since dealing with this many nested quotes is fucking ridiculous.

I did not compare wearing a burqa to beating your wife, which I'm not saying you do (or don't do, I don't know you). I was listing stupid things people do. Two things are not necessarily being compared simply because they are in the same post.

I'm aware of that, yet you were using them to support your main argument, which you were including the burqa in:

I don't see how some number of people making what I consider a poor choice makes my argument fail. Could you clarify how it does?

In your view, smoking crack is a poor choice, as is wearing a burqa, correct? If not, what was the point of mentioning them in a post about burqas?

It was an example of a poor choice people make. That seems pretty obvious to me. I also wasn't using that example to support my main argument. I was using it to show a flaw in one of your shitty arguments. There's quite a difference there.

You seem to place some non-negligible value on acts because they customs. You are aware that customs are just things people do, right? That means you are giving value to things simply because people do them. That is ridiculous.

Yes, I'm aware what customs are just things people do. I don't give value to things simply because people do them, I simply hold that there is no reason to take value away from things (like customs) if they are not violating the rights of others, or impeding justice. A person demanding that they can only show their face to women police officers does not impede justice unless there are no women police officers about. A person has a right to their own customs; the police (or anyone for that matter) do not have a right to interfere with those customs if they can help it. That is not ridiculous; that is simply the only fair thing to do in a society filled with people from different backgrounds who have different customs.

Note: bolded for emphasis.

What value exactly is being taken away? The only reasons these customs have value to you in the first place is that give it to them illogically and irrationally. They should start at a base point of having NO VALUE. You should examine each belief on own merits before deciding whether or not a custom has value. You fail to do so. That's fine, but be aware that accepting things for no logical reason and with no arguments puts you in the same boat as theists.

"Quote mine?" I posted literally everything you wrote on the subject in this thread. What the fuck did I mine?

You took the context out of my quote in order to strawman my position. I said:

Yes, when needed then of course face coverings should be removed, but customs and religions should be respected.

You then went on to characterize my argument as:

customs and religions should be respected.

That, my friend, is a quote mine and a strawman. I never said "customs and religions should be respected." as a general argument about all customs and religions. I said it quite clearly about face coverings.

Seriously, fuck your claims of quote mining and straw manning. I posted literally the entire parts of your posts dealing with this issue. One was the ENTIRE post. There is no context that was missed. There is no straw man to be manufactured. You made an illogical, irrational statement and I called you on it. Your exact belief, as you stated it, is what I responded to. You're like most atheists - take away the atheistic quotes from people whose arguments are actually logical and rational for you to parrot and you're shown for the illogical and irrational person you are. Here's your entire post again, in the context of this thread (I cut NOTHING out):

Yes, when needed then of course face coverings should be removed, but customs and religions should be respected.

Again, bolded for emphasis.

That is illogical. That is irrational. You are on the same footing as theists with your utter lack of a requirement for arguments to support positions. It's not out of context, but even if it were, THERE IS NO FUCKING CONTEXT IN THE WORLD that makes your comment logical and rational. You should feel shame and a deep and intense sense of self-loathing. You won't, of course, but more's the pity...

Regardless, there is absolutely no context in which your statement is not moronic.

Yet you yourself have said that some customs should be respected if they are logical and reasonable, so clearly there is a context in which "my" statement is not moronic, unless you hold that your own position is also moronic?

Your statement DOESN'T FUCKING WORK if you introduce logic and reason. You promoted blind acceptance of customs. As soon as you introduce actual thought, it no longer agrees with your original statement. As I said repeatedly, no context makes blind acceptance of customs logical or rational.

I never stated "customs and religions should be respected" on its own.

You said the words between those quotation marks, right? I never said you said them alone. I said that they are illogical and irrational. No context makes that stop being true. Those words, which you wrote, promote blind respect toward customs and religions. You can twist and twist as much as you want and you will never change that.

You've strawmanned my argument using a quote mine, and are again strawmanning me by claiming I am putting value on customs when I haven't even mentioned values at all.

Jesus fucking Christ. Please put that bit I responded to, the bit in quotes, into its full context for me so that it makes logical, rational sense. Don't add qualifiers or logic and reasoning since you know full fucking well they're not present in any way in that statement. I get that I quote mined the fuck out of you. I'm not sure how, since I posted your entire fucking argument, but I'm sure I did somehow.

As for values, just replace "value" with "respect" or whatever if I use it again. I had a similar discussion with another illogical and irrational atheist up here and his argument was quite similarly shitty. I'm just getting your wording mixed together.

You are quote mining and strawmanning my argument.

Fuck. I guess if you repeat a lie enough times it MUST come true!