(June 5, 2012 at 12:04 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I think it says much about Christianity that the closest apologists can come to defending their beliefs are abstract attempts at logical arguments like these. I'm not saying logical arguments have no place in any presentation of proof but if there's no hard evidence offered, at best you have an untested hypothesis. This is not "proof" and certainly falls short of the kind of extraordinary evidence required by the proportionally extraordinary claims.
In the first Star Wars movie that came out (IV: A New Hope), Darth Vader deals with a skeptical admiral that scoffs at his religious beliefs. Darth Vader then offers the Ontological argument for the Force ...or was it the Teleological?
Oh wait, my mistake. Instead of spouting philoso-babble, he offered a compelling demonstration consistent with his religious beliefs in a way that couldn't be confused with a natural occurrence or coincidence. I guarantee that were something like this to happen in real life, not a single admiral would have left that room unconvinced.
Why don't the Christians perform miracles of faith that the NT promised would be possible? I'm not asking them to drink poison or handle snakes. Why not do something less dangerous and more productive like a healing demonstration in front of medical peer review as a repeatable experiment? Or perhaps you could cure madness by casting out a demon or two? If I could put in a special request, how about healing Steven Hawking?
If all you have to offer is philoso-babble, let me start by affirming who has the burden of proof. It's NOT my responsibility to know everything or to explain the entire universe to you, down to the abstract questions like why there are laws of logic or what morality is. It's YOUR responsibility to prove that not only A god exists but that YOUR god exists.
Healings still happen and doctors can't believe it, but it's written off as something not figured out yet.
Besides seeing isn't believing. The Bible tells us people doubted when they saw Jesus resurrected. Plus when you all see creation you believe random events brought us to where we are now. You don't see it as a creation from the Biblical God.
Jesus even said even if one was brought back from the dead they still wouldn't believe.
You would have to turn to God and from sin in repentance and put your faith in Christ to know what I'm talking about.
James Holmes acted consistent with what evolution teaches. He evolved from an animal, and when he murdered those people, He acted like one. You can't say he's wrong since evolution made him that way.
