Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 15, 2025, 8:42 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Some Problems with Quran
#20
RE: Some Problems with Quran
I quote a philosopher Michael Antony:

Another common claim of the New Atheists is that you ‘can’t prove a negative’ – where what is typically meant is a negative existence claim of the form ‘X does not exist’. Rhetorically, this claim functions to legitimize the idea that evidence needn’t be provided for God’s nonexistence. After all, if evidence cannot be provided for a proposition it would be irrational to expect one to provide some, and so reasonable to believe that evidence isn’t needed. But the claim that you can’t prove a negative cannot help the atheist. That is because, on each of two possible ways of interpreting what it means to ‘prove’ something, it is generally false that you can’t prove a negative (and often true that you can’t prove a positive).

Consider first, proofs which deliver certainty, as in mathematics or logic. Such proofs are sometimes possible for negative existence claims, such as the claim that there is no greatest prime number. One can also prove with certainty that there are no Xs whenever the concept X can be shown to be incoherent (like the concepts round square, or 3pm on the sun). Of course, it is true that many negative existence claims cannot be proved with absolute certainty, but the same holds for positive existence claims, for example, from science or common sense, such as that there are electrons or tables and chairs. So there’s nothing special here about negative existence claims.

Turn next to proofs which aim to establish only the probable truth of their conclusions. These are the sorts of proofs which result from successful scientific and other empirical investigations. In this sense of ‘proof’, it is easy to prove the non-existence of many things: for example, that there is no pomegranate in my hand, or no snow-capped mountains in the Sahara Desert. And while it may be difficult or impossible to even in this weaker sense prove the non-existence of many things – goblins, sombreros in the Sombrero Galaxy – the same goes for many positive existence claims – that Aristotle sneezed on his 20th birthday; that there is a transcendent deity; that there is a sombrero somewhere in the Sombrero Galaxy. So, again, there is nothing unique about negative existence claims. The unfortunate saying that one can’t prove a negative should be dropped.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Some Problems with Quran - by MysticKnight - March 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RE: Somes Problems with Quran - by Minimalist - March 1, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by genkaus - March 2, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by Zen Badger - March 2, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2012 at 8:29 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by picto90 - March 2, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2012 at 7:20 pm
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by padraic - June 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by padraic - June 3, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by padraic - June 4, 2012 at 12:09 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by MysticKnight - June 4, 2012 at 9:44 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by Angrboda - June 4, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by MysticKnight - June 4, 2012 at 12:54 pm
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by padraic - June 5, 2012 at 1:01 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by Minimalist - June 5, 2012 at 1:28 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by padraic - June 5, 2012 at 1:51 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by MysticKnight - June 6, 2012 at 11:46 am
RE: Some Problems with Quran - by padraic - June 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Does the Quran support Theocracy? Leonardo17 91 16205 July 7, 2024 at 11:22 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran Leonardo17 100 17831 August 20, 2023 at 12:10 pm
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Quran and Hadiths annatar 34 23443 October 11, 2022 at 5:14 pm
Last Post: arewethereyet
  "Nas" is probably my favorite arabic word in the Quran Woah0 22 3361 August 22, 2022 at 3:19 pm
Last Post: Aegon
  [Quranic reflection]: The Big Bang theory in the Quran. WinterHold 62 9738 June 14, 2022 at 1:21 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  How I'd Reveal the Quran To Humanity ReptilianPeon 23 5121 May 11, 2022 at 9:22 pm
Last Post: Cavalry
  2-big bang theory in the Quran mo3taz3nbar 108 57937 April 3, 2022 at 12:09 pm
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false WinterHold 176 27143 January 15, 2022 at 2:39 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  [Quranic Reflection]: On reading the Quran.. WinterHold 1 1291 July 24, 2021 at 5:23 pm
Last Post: onlinebiker
  [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future. WinterHold 253 37437 December 18, 2020 at 9:25 pm
Last Post: polymath257



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)