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Origin of Articles
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RE: Origin of Articles
(June 7, 2012 at 11:14 am)elunico13 Wrote: What this proves is Logic is not a creation from humans nor the way they think.

The Law of Gravity is a description of what gravity does. It is not itself gravity. The Law of Identity is a more basic description of reality, but it is not itself identity. You can invent any rules of logic you want, but if they aren't in accord with reality, they won't be very useful. Fallacious logic is still logic, it's just bad logic, and not reflected in the universe. Fallacious logic isn't entirely useless though-it doesn't even necessarily result in incorrect conclusions, many people are persuaded by it, which is what it's for. If logic was built into reality, we wouldn't need to distinguish between sound logic, valid logic, and fallacious logic.

(June 7, 2012 at 11:14 am)elunico13 Wrote: That was a question dealing with the law of non contradiction. NO, is the correct answer!

Yep.

(June 7, 2012 at 11:14 am)elunico13 Wrote: But completely contradicts any belief that the Biblical God does not exist. No evolutionist can account for laws of logic which is the way God thinks and has always been the case even before creation.

As I pointed out before, being able to reason soundly is a useful ability that will be conserved by natural selection when it occurs. Logic helps us to solve problems and persuade others. It's clearly a reproductive advantage (if not too extreme) for a species that relies on ingenuity to survive.

(June 7, 2012 at 11:14 am)elunico13 Wrote: If you had said yes than you couldn't even know you existed its a complete contradiction.

Perhaps no one saying 'yes' is an indication that we're all aware of that.

(June 7, 2012 at 11:14 am)elunico13 Wrote: Do you still think you can account for logic existing before humans???

I don't doubt it existed before humans: some animals are clearly capable of using rudimentary logic on a nonverbal level to solve problems. And things were always what they were and not something else at the same time before we came up with logic, but the Law of Identity is based on that fact, it isn't the fact itself. You're confusing the map with the terrain.
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