RE: Origin of Articles
June 8, 2012 at 5:42 pm
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2012 at 5:44 pm by elunico13.)
(June 8, 2012 at 1:19 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: ALL systems of epistemological inquiry start with axioms (or assumptions or presuppositions, if you prefer), even yours, whether you recognize it or not.
Properly, the question is not whether these axioms are provable - by definition, they cannot, they are self-evident, at least to the person holding them as axiomatic - but whether it is justifiable to treat them as such. Our observations are consistent with a reality that conforms to the principle of uniformity, and so from the scientific viewpoint, that axiom is justified. If our observations were not consistent with the principle of uniformity, then clearly, treating it as axiomatic would be unjustifiable and we'd have a problem. They aren't, so we don't.
Looks like we have a case of empiricism here.
Well if your observations were consistent in noticing uniformity that's what I would expect as a believer in biblical creation. The laws of uniformity were already pre-existent for your observations to discover them.
My justification for the laws of uniformity and the whole reason science works is because the biblical God consistently keeps this universe in motion. Night and day, the seasons, orbits, life cycles, etc... He is omnipresent so I would also expect uniformity throughout the entire universe and also laws of logic to apply.
When I get answers like "science works because it works" that's a pretty arbitrary answer for the justification of uniformity.
Without justification for the law of uniformity from the evolutionist it becomes as arbitrary as a child believing in Santa Clause coming down the chimney Christmas Eve.
I would have to call you out on your conclusion above.
You're assuming your observations are giving you reliable information. Plus if empiricism is your method then you must have empirically come to that conclusion which is impossible since knowledge is not observable.
If you disagree then tell me what color it is.
All wisdom and knowledge is hidden in Christ.
(June 8, 2012 at 1:23 am)libalchris Wrote: This is why at this point I think I'm done with this conversation. I refuse to argue points like this for 2 reasons.
1. Presuppositional apologetics is bullshit. It's circular reasoning to attempt to prove the bible by assuming the bible is true.
2. It's worthless philosophical bullshit. Discussing things like this is worthless and accomplishes nothing. Unifomitarianism works because it has been observed. Every observation and experiment ever done has shown that physical laws don't change unless another predictable physical process causes them to. We can apply the principle of uniformity to radiometric dating, for example, because we understand what causes radioactive decay, and have run numerous experiments that show radioactive decay simply does not change.
No worries. If I had your worldview I'd be frustrated too.
James Holmes acted consistent with what evolution teaches. He evolved from an animal, and when he murdered those people, He acted like one. You can't say he's wrong since evolution made him that way.
