RE: Euthyphro dilemma asked for evolution.
June 11, 2012 at 10:33 am
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2012 at 10:50 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The trouble I think, is when you argue that "if" this objective morality can be shown to be based on facts- etc etc. Are we entirely certain that morality hinges on facts? What might qualify as a "moral fact"? Also, when you say that this objective morality would not be based on anyone's opinions, that isn't the only way that such a morality might be subjective. Is being based on logic an absolute requirement for objectivity in the case of morality in the first place? Lets suppose we all shared the same moral constructs, but no thought had ever been given to them, no opinions had ever been offered in support or criticism of them. I know, not likely, but this is a "what if" game, right? Would this morality not qualify as objective by the metrics you've offered -being that they are subject to no one's opinion-? In the case of the two hypothetically coexisting moralities of slitznarpians and humans each morality is subjective with regards to the species which it applies to, isn't it? Again, you've defined a set and then declared the morality in question to be objective, relative to the set.
I really don't have any problem with searching for this kind of morality btw, it's not something I'd argue against. But the terms used do seem to be influenced by the context of the argument. You seem to be defining objective to fit the morality you're proposing, rather than demonstrating that this hypothetical objective morality is, in fact, objective.
(and before it seems like we have a massive disagreement here, there is definitely something to the notion, at least to my mind, that the terms objective and subjective have fuzzy connotations, -as objective as can be reasonably expected- might fit better with human beings and their moral constructs.)
In a nutshell, I think my problem with this is that in the act of defining some objective morality the axioms at the base of the moral pyramid would seem to my mind to be entirely too easy to characterize as opinions of some sort.
We could try it out, propose some hypothetical axioms that would form the basis of this objective morality and run them through a meat grinder?
I really don't have any problem with searching for this kind of morality btw, it's not something I'd argue against. But the terms used do seem to be influenced by the context of the argument. You seem to be defining objective to fit the morality you're proposing, rather than demonstrating that this hypothetical objective morality is, in fact, objective.
(and before it seems like we have a massive disagreement here, there is definitely something to the notion, at least to my mind, that the terms objective and subjective have fuzzy connotations, -as objective as can be reasonably expected- might fit better with human beings and their moral constructs.)
In a nutshell, I think my problem with this is that in the act of defining some objective morality the axioms at the base of the moral pyramid would seem to my mind to be entirely too easy to characterize as opinions of some sort.
We could try it out, propose some hypothetical axioms that would form the basis of this objective morality and run them through a meat grinder?
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