(June 11, 2012 at 6:54 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.Free will does not assign blame nor does it absolve one from culpablity. It is just the ablity to choose.
Quote:That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."There are only two choices God's expressed will or our own. To be outside of God's expressed will is sin, to intentionally or maliciously seek to be outside of God's will is evil. What makes Evil Evil is the lengths man will go to be outside of God's will. The Gift of true Choice doesn't post blame on God nor does it free Him from it. That is why there is attonement to be found through God in Christ's sacerfice.
Quote:But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.Now keep going your alomst there. So since no one can, live a life and not sin how is it that God doesn't simply send us all straight to Hell? Why would He go through the trouble of offering the ultimate sin sacerfice? Why give us choice and take away said consenquences of all of the sinful choices we were destined to make?
If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.
The short answer is if all of the sin consenquences are removed then only one decision/question remains to be answered. Meaning if all things are equal (and they were made equal through the sacerfice of Christ) Then the reason we were put on this earth was to decide in our hearts where we wished to spend eternity.
For we could not truly make said choice without a true options. One being God's expressed will (which was that man live along side of him in the garden) and our own or 'free will' and the choices/consenquences it spawns. To make said choice we must have a proper venue apart from the glory and magesty of God. A place where doubt allows for the plausablity to alternitives to God to reign. For is there was undenyable proof of God or if He corrected our bad/sinful choices, then what 'choice' would we have? Reason would demand that we believe God. as made manifest in all of his person by person intercessions and undenyable evidences. This life has been given over to you to choose where you wish to spend eternity. You can only do this apart from God. Being seperated from God makes one subject to the evil of his peers.
Quote:If we are to exercise our free will as you say to please God, then tell us why he threw such a hissy fit on A & E the first time they exercised their free will to do other than God's will.What fit? Nothing that happened to them wasn't fore told.