(June 14, 2012 at 11:43 am)FallentoReason Wrote:Brian37 Wrote:Every time we debate including ridicule or blasphemy or even insults WE are proving that we can have a verbal fight without it coming to real violence. That is something far too many countries, especially in Africa and in in the Middle East do not have the luxury of.
I just fail to see why you see foul language as necessary...
And I fail to see why it should always be censored?
Instead of making it a moral issue or either/or issue, which is what fascist states set up, try seeing as a context and comfort issue.
Otherwise we get stuck with "who gets to decide". I am not going to hand that kind of power over to another human. I hate that mentality and it is quite dangerous to the freedom of anyone of any position.
Context.
If I am at a fancy wedding or formal dinner, no. If I am simply hanging out with buddies or posting at a board, like this one, which does not ban cussing, then I think the right thing in this context is to post the way you are comfortable with doing, and if you don't like how someone else posts, don't read their posts or put them on ignore.
That is the best anyone can do otherwise we become a society that can be lead into the very fascism we know neither of us would want to live under.
And the other absurdity of "never" as a solution would be cuss words and slurs used in human history. I think it would be absurd to try to tell the story about Hitler without using the word "Juden" or displaying the horrible image of the dead bodies or the Swhastica.
Without those horrible images we as a species could not remind ourselves as to what we should not do.
And in humor. People who hate something like South Park completely miss the point of that show. It does not promote bigotry. It's entire point is to say to all of humanity, DAMN IT, LAUGH AT YOURSELVES!
So this isn't simply about one post or one person. This cuts to the core of how we want to go about when trying to achieve civility. I do not see how civility is achieved by making demands on a complex society. We are not civil because we are nice to each other all the time. We are civil because we agree in the common law of you can say what you want until or unless it is an act of violence, or a call to violence.
That is the only viable solution I see as working. If we all like to bitch then we have to allow others to bitch while keeping in mind that we still have the common ground that none of us want to be harmed. I am happy with being insulted because I still get to go to bed at night in one piece.
