RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 5:30 pm
(This post was last modified: June 15, 2012 at 5:35 pm by Undeceived.)
(June 15, 2012 at 3:51 pm)dudeamis Wrote: You do realize that Satan being an evil force was created for Christianity? There is no Jewish tradition that casts Satan as anything other than an angel working for God.Isaiah 14:12 says, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee..."
The Book of Job also pits Satan against God. God boasts that no one is as righteous as Job, and Satan tries to prove him wrong. If this isn't good vs. evil, why is it in the Bible? What lesson would there be in God letting his angel (who confesses in Job 1:7 not to spend time in heaven) torture a human? Reading Job start to finish, it becomes clear that the story is meant to glorify God. Good vs. Evil is a main theme in the OT, and any Jew would tell you Satan personifies the Evil half.
(June 15, 2012 at 3:51 pm)dudeamis Wrote: Same with hell. In Jewish texts when you die to go to the grave, not Hell, not Heaven.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testamen...evers.html
These are verses that refer to "the grave", which at times seems to be the neutral earthly grave, and at others a place the people did not want to be.
But there is also an understanding that believers will live with God. David in Psalm 23 says, "I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever." Daniel 12:1-3 states that the dead will rise from the earth in the end--some to everlasting life, the rest to everlasting contempt. Psalm 73:24 reinforces, "You guide me with your counsel, and afterward you will take me into glory." Psalm 16:9-11 speaks about the faithful not decaying. Deuteronomy 30:11-16 mentions heaven and suggests that people who obey God will receive a reward. In Genesis 28:12, Jacob "had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it." In all, the term 'heaven' appears 266 times in the Old Testament. Some refer to the sky, but then when believers are called to go to heaven it is clear the Bible means up, not down.