(June 15, 2012 at 11:28 am)elunico13 Wrote: You are confusing the mind with the universe.
No I'm not.
(June 15, 2012 at 11:28 am)elunico13 Wrote: We discover laws of physics by observing and analyzing the behavior of things around us.
Yes, they are.
(June 15, 2012 at 11:28 am)elunico13 Wrote: The laws of logic are not discovered in the same way. For example, in nature we do not see something that is both itself and not itself at the same time, because we can only observe a phenomena that exists, not one that does not exist.
If something is not itself, then it doesn't exist. How then can the property of that non-existent thing be observed? It cannot.
Therefore, we are not discovering a law of logic by observation, but by thought.
We discover the laws of logic by thinking about all the observations we have made - the same way we discover laws of physics. You gave a good example of how we do it. We observe that nothing we have ever observed is itself and not itself at the same time. Given that it fits everything that is known irrespective of physical category, we consider it a law of logic.
(June 15, 2012 at 11:28 am)elunico13 Wrote: If the universe and our minds are simply the results of time and chance (evolution), why would we expect that the mind could make sense of the universe?
No one expects that that capacity would come about. But it has, so the question of expectation is moot.
