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[Tobie]

Okay, I'll humor you. Let's accept as given that the existence of God can account for the laws of logic. (Is there anything the postulation of an omnipotent being can't account for? Sounds tautological.) Okay, God is sufficient to account for the laws of logic. But is God necessary and sufficient for the laws of logic. I will propose the existence of Thwarb. Thwarb, as a consequence of its existence, results in the existence of valid laws of logic in universes. Thwarb is not a god. Therefore, an atheist can believe in Thwarb without violating their worldview. And since Thwarb by its definition results in laws of logic, it is sufficient to explain the existence of laws of logic in this universe. Therefore, if Thwarb exists, your God is not necessary to explain the laws of logic. In order to demonstrate that your God is both necessary and sufficient to explain the laws of logic, you'll have to demonstrate that there is nothing that either is Thwarb, or functions like Thwarb. Until you do, all you've demonstrated is the sufficient part. In order for your God to be required to explain the laws of logic, you also have to prove that he is necessary.

I would have to correct you by saying the biblical God is required for laws of logic to make any sense. This is because it is his vary nature to be logical, but any other world view is reduced to absurdity when trying to explain laws of logic without the biblical God.

It's funny how people try to debate against the universal, immaterial, invariant laws of logic while using them. Have you ever heard of a vicously circular argument?

You said a circular argument would be wrong. You don't understand that an argument can't go on forever. When you reach the ultimate authority it must be self attesting Hebrews 16:3. Some here say that their ultimate authority is their own senses or even science, but if you read the thread I have explained that those things are not self attesting and presuppose alot. I am not my own ultimate authority either, because I have my presuppositions just like everyone else.



THWARB

What you have described can't exist since it violates the law of non - contradiction. thwarb can't exist and not exist at the same time in the same relationship since laws of logic have always been (biblical God) and were not created. It would have to be a created entity and Laws of logic do not violate themselves.

Thanks for playin'

Again with the pointless conjecture! So what if we can't explain why the laws of logic are universal? Doesn't mean we can't use them to make sense of the world! Do you stop using anything because you can't explain where it comes from and why it works? No.

Then there's the whole problem of "you can't explain this therefore god". Prove to everyone that the biblical god is necessary for logic to exist. I dare you.

Please try and use just a modicum of rational thought next time.