(June 24, 2012 at 7:50 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Its secular science because of the assumption that science equals naturalism which seems to be the lie you've bought into. You could answer alot of your own questions by reading my thread here.
The reason science only studies the natural universe is because that's all that can be studied. Science doesn't assume a naturalistic world or deny the existence of God or the supernatural. Science merely restricts itself to what can be studied.
Do you know what they call the "supernatural" once it is accepted by and studied by science?
"Natural"
For example, if ghosts really existed, science would include Dr. Venkman stuff. We could study ghosts and invent detectors that could read their ecoplasmic energies to let us know when a place was haunted. There would be an entire field of science devoted to the study and understanding of this phenomena.
As an aside, this is why I can be a deist and a naturalist at the same time. God is not supernatural. If we had infinite knowledge, we could understand Its nature, properties and limitations.
Quote:This is the exact reasoning process that refutes itself.
example: "if empiricists tell me so, then I empirically accept it as reality."
Also how does a theory like the big bang "lead to something that works"???
As others have patiently explained to you, we don't believe in evolution because Dr. Dawkins says so. We accept evolution because it has been proven. There is an entire body of knowledge that can be studied, inspected and fully learned by anyone willing to take the time.
Compare science to religion in this way. There is no information to be learned in the study of theology. You can't run tests to confirm the effect of faith healing or exorcism. We can't contact angels or interview them. All we can do is read claims of ancient superstitious people.
Hence why apologists can only offer philoso-babble, not evidence.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
