The Stage is Yours.

[Rayaan]

Yeah but it ends up inserting empirical amongst metaphisical evidence, which for me ends up in car crashes of logic. People of my faith do the same thing, so this isn't something I hold against you. I'm fatally attracted to the understanding people who profess such beliefs. I don't find I can agree with it, but I find it very interesting.

It's good that you find it interesting, at least.

But, once again, the thing is that it doesn't really matter if there are some empirical elements involved in the process of coming to a metaphysical conclusion. My belief in God is partly an extension of what I have seen, observed, and/or learned so far in my life (i.e. the empirical stuff) - and I don't think that there is anything wrong with having such a basis behind my faith - and I find that Islam is the closest religion that makes sense to me. You see the religion in a different way, however. And yeah, I probably know what flaws of Islam that you have in mind because I remember them from past discussions. But feel free to reiterate them if you want to. The choice is yours.

Well I believe I made one in my 1st post in this thread. Meaning and purpose are all bound up in metaphysical thinking and it is what informs our world view. For materialists this is a complete non starter and a huge unresolved conflict they somehow live with.

1. How does meaning and purpose all lead back to Christianity, though?

2. I think that "meaning" and "purpose" fall somewhere in the general philosophy area as they are not exactly "metaphysical." Metaphysics is mainly concerned with the nature of reality.

It's not vague. It's just not dealing with the minutae. The detail is just that, very detailed. For anything to make sense metaphysically, it is my contention that the christian god is the only satisfactory answer. I work that out continually.

And I remember you saying that you believe that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man at the same time. So, how do you continually work out that that is the "only satisfactory answer"?

Why should I act positively? Because it makes sense in the wider scheme of things that positivity is life. Any question you pick makes sense including God. Minus God it fails to make sense.

Of course we are supposed to act positively.

But that doesn't logically imply that only the Christian God nor Allah are necessarily true. Afterall, there are many other religions that encourage you to act positively.

You seem to be expanding in that thread on your Intelligent Design beliefs. It's a bit of a wall of texts. I tried several times to read it. Could you precis it for us?

I talked more about than just intelligent design. I summarized the main points in the introduction paragraphs and the summary at the bottom. Just read some of it and then pick out anything you want from there if you disagree with something.

In that thread, I explained how the universe itself is gigantic computer along with providing various links and articles to support this idea. Then, I discussed how such a computational view of the universe relates to Islam by going into more details and by pointing out specific Quranic verses in that thread to show how all of these ideas fit together. And that is something that makes the idea rational, at least, even if incorrect. And it is a metaphysical idea that I find to be very compatible with my own religious beliefs although other people may or may not find it compatible.

But you, fr0d0, in a different thread said that you have nothing regarding the existence of God and that you simply believe in him.

Here's the quote:

I have nothing regarding the existence of God because that is never the question for me. I believe in him. I am not concerned with his existence.

^ fr0d0's comments in response to theVOID

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Ok, wow. Did fr0d0 just write a fully fledged novel to answer Rayaan but didn't offer a single sentence to answer my very relevant and very politely asked question?
Anyone else think thats just rude?

Not rude, in my opinion, but maybe just a little disingenuous. He repeatedly kept saying things like you're too childish, you're too stupid to understand, you're not worth it, that you're being a jerk, that you're pig headed, <insert personal criticism>, etc. just to avoid answering the question that you asked. I think that he does that on purpose because he is afraid that others will dismantle his arguments completely once he answers your question. So, he pretends like you're simply not deserving of getting an answer from him and oftentimes that's exactly how he tries to escape in many other discussions. And I've known this old technique of his even before I met him.

And technically, it's called "dodging" which fr0d0 is very good at, right fr0d0?

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I'm in the middle of an interesting discussion with rayaan which you have now successfully destroyed.

Nah, nobody destroyed it.

I was just taking my time and sneakily watching the atheists here grill you for a while.