(July 11, 2012 at 6:07 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:(July 10, 2012 at 6:48 pm)Godschild Wrote:Read the Bible cover to cover so yeah, I know a fair bit about your religion. I would appreciate it if everytime I came up with a good point that makes you look horribly misinformed you'd stop blaming it, somewhat predictably, on *my* lack of knowledge. It doesn't logically follow and it only serves to make you look rather childish.
Now to point out the obvious. God is omnipotent, therefore he knows how everythings going to turn out. He knew they'd take the apple.
What was the point in putting it there in the first place?
And before you say it was a test, it was a test he already knew the results to so that doesn't explain anything.
Also you said that he wanted us to follow in his footsteps, wouldn't alot of those footsteps require us to have knowledge of good and evil? But then he says he doesn't want Adam and Eve to obtain this knowledge so assuming he doesn't change his mind either you're lying, hes lying or hes purposely setting an impossible task. Which is it?
Reading is not the same as studying, people hear say I just read scientific stuff without studying so if the atheist community here is setting the standard it needs to be applied to all works. If you do not like being called out on your lack of Biblical knowledge you should study and not just read.
Agreed God is omniscient, agreed God knew they would disobey Him by eating the fruit, agreed He knows how everything will turn out.
Adam and Eve had no idea how things would go, at first they had no desire to eat the fruit, they enjoyed walking with God in the cool of the evening. God enjoyed the love they had for Him, and why not we all do. The greatest love they showed for God was obeying the one commandment He gave them, the fruit was there because of love, they had the freedom to disobey and fall or obey and continue in grace. Well we all know how it turned out. It was not a test, never was meant to be, it had to be there for Adam and Eve to show total love for God.
Yes God wants us to try to live as close as we can to His perfect standard. Because we have the knowledge of good and evil is why God has to ask us to live close to His perfect standard, if Adam and Eve had not disobeyed God then there would be no need in Him asking us to live close to His standard. We would be doing that, unless someone else disobeyed God's commandment.
Placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden was not for a task as you put it, it was there because God wanted Adam and Eve and everyone else to love Him through obedience. Just like parents want their children to show love to them by obeying them. Obedience is trust and I do not know of a greater way to show love to others than through trust.
No one has lied nor deceived.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.