The Stage is Yours.

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my brain finds more connections than yours. Oh well.

No my brain haz MOAR!!!

I don't know how to explain it any more clearly, though.

Yeah I know your POV my only interest is understanding it. I guess maybe that means believing it too, and that I can't expect to understand it that well.

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1. Firstly, in what sense are you using the word "evil'? Are you talking about evil in the moral sense or evil as in things like natural disasters/diseases/calamities?

moral. I don't see those other things as evil.

2. Of course I believe that Allah can destroy, but that doesn't mean that Allah himself is evil. The Christian god also destroys, but does that necessarily make Him evil?

No indeed. I think the quote is that allah is unjustifiably angry - taken from the 99 attribues.

3. In this post (sorry, you got search ninja'd again), you admitted that God indirectly created evil. So, whether directly or indirectly, He did create evil - Satan and Hell, for example.

Kudos

Indirectly as in... isn't evil himself. As in... every positive creation brings about an opposing force. Light being the positive force, dark is the neutral state that it reverts to.

Satan naturally exists as a counter to good. Evil from good. Etc.

4. The following are verses from the Bible that support that God is the source of both good and evil and that he also destroys according to his will:

As you asked above, killing and destruction are not necessarily evil. Ultimate justice is only possible via complete knowledge, and here we credit God with that ability.

5. Coming back to Islam, I would like to know exactly what parts of your so remarkable study of Islam led you to conclude that Allah does evil while your God only does good. This is not to say that I think that the Christian God is evil either because I consider Him to be the same God as Allah minus all the Trinity stuff that were probably added later on by certain authors (as supported by Bart Ehrman's extensive research of the Bible). Furthermore, I believe that all the Abrahamic religions trace back to the same origin and the same God.

"So remarkable" ooh *grabs handbag*

Yeah I'm on the fence about Islam addressing the same God. I think Mohammed's revelation was too far from what Judaism and Christianity profess. Undeniable that Islam is based upon Xtianity, yes.

The trinity stuff seems irrelevant to me. It's what can be clearly derived from the text as it stands.

6. <snip> tell me which of them you find to be inconsistent and/or contradictory.

I'll look that up later for you and post back.

utes. But we cannot comprehend his primary attribute as the Quran says, "No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things" (6:103).

Yes I think this has a corresponding biblical text.

Secondly, someone having bipolar qualities does not have to mean that those qualities contradict each other. For example, sometimes I can get angry and/or punish someone depending on the situation, and at other times, I can also be loving and merciful. However, these bipolar qualities that I and everyone else possess within ourselves does not mean that they are contradictory nor does it mean that we are inherently evil. This is how I think of Allah's attributes as well.

Jesus was angry, but he wasn't sinful in that anger, as anger can be good. The answer to this will be included in the one for the question above.

Speaking of bipolar, you believe that God is one and many at the same time as said in your post above and, obviously, you don't see anything wrong with that one, eh?

And how is that bipolar?

I'm going to tell you something very confidential right now, so I hope you're wearing your cast iron underpants. I'm not perfect. Wow I feel better for getting that off my chest!