RE: Can Creator create morality from nothing?
July 12, 2012 at 2:43 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm by Autumnlicious.)
I'll bite.
(1) If God exists, he can create morality when morality did exist.
This is a nonsensical premise -- how can god create what is already there?
Faulty premise -- you have not established that evolutionary derived 'morals' are dependent on God creating morality.
For all you know, codified behaviors are part of an evolution of a social species, which would make said "morality" an emergent property of said social specie evolution.
Also, how does this premise operate while this one cannot:
(3) If morality is a temporary object formed within the mind of an individual, then morality is around as long as that individual is around.
(4) As long as they're are beings who can hold "morality" in their mind, then morality (as a concept) is more persistent and possibly eternal if the existence of a being to carry the concept of morality is eternally assured.
I'm not gonna even poke this one...
Or simply a nonexistent entity that appears only in the minds of beings capable of conceiving of "morality" and with enough beings that can carry a continuation of said "morals" makes it potentially eternal (that is, until we kill all higher level life).
(July 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (1) If God exists, he cannot create morality when morality didn't exist.Double negative. Rephrased:
(1) If God exists, he can create morality when morality did exist.
This is a nonsensical premise -- how can god create what is already there?
(July 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (2) If God cannot create morality when morality didn't exist, then neither can evolution.
Faulty premise -- you have not established that evolutionary derived 'morals' are dependent on God creating morality.
For all you know, codified behaviors are part of an evolution of a social species, which would make said "morality" an emergent property of said social specie evolution.
(July 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (3) Therefore if morality were to be real/objective/non-delusion, it would be eternal.How is "morality" a coherent object that persists? How is it inherited and yet some form of "eternal" state?
Also, how does this premise operate while this one cannot:
(3) If morality is a temporary object formed within the mind of an individual, then morality is around as long as that individual is around.
(4) As long as they're are beings who can hold "morality" in their mind, then morality (as a concept) is more persistent and possibly eternal if the existence of a being to carry the concept of morality is eternally assured.
(July 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (4) Objective morality exist.
I'm not gonna even poke this one...
(July 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (5) Therefore Objective morality is eternal.
Or simply a nonexistent entity that appears only in the minds of beings capable of conceiving of "morality" and with enough beings that can carry a continuation of said "morals" makes it potentially eternal (that is, until we kill all higher level life).
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