RE: Can Creator create morality from nothing?
July 12, 2012 at 3:43 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm by Mystic.)
(July 12, 2012 at 3:16 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: As far as I know morality doesn't exist in any place other than in the minds of human beings.
You might as well ask if thought was created from nothing which would be pointless because our brains create our thoughts dependent on sustenance and sensory information received.
Why do our brains create thoughts based in morality? The same reason we have thoughts about food, drink, shelter and sex. Survival. Animals that travel in groups are more likely to survive and procreate which means it is beneficial to contribute to the survival of the group as a whole. This would lead to acts of kindness, selflessness and courage. The groups who co-operated the most would be the most likely to pass down their genes thus increasing the probability of "morale" behaviour manifesting itself as an innate attribute of the species as a whole. Combine this with high intellect and adaptability causing this behaviour to take more complex forms to maximize co-operation and by default survival and you end up with the human races modern take on morality.
I understand your view point. The argument is based on two premises:
If God exists, then he cannot create morality. ( I argued why in OP).
Objective morality exists.
The conclusion will follow if you assume these two are true.
As for 1, I've seen Atheists argue with Euthyphro dilemma that God cannot decide morals as that would make it arbitrary. In fact, atheist philosophers do it all the time to show we don't need God and morality is independent of God. I think it proves the opposite. That morality is impossible without God.
But both these premises seem widely agreed upon, therefore, if not conclusive, this argument is still very potent.
Saying evolution created morality and it exists only in mind of human beings...this is exactly what the whole argument was aimed at disproving.
It proves morality is eternal (if you agree on the two premises I mentioned). You can even substitute "goodness" with "morality". And you would concluded goodness is eternal.
But both of these need consciousness. Therefore it follows conscious is eternal.
I can further make the argument, that goodness has infinite potential, and all must exist eternally. Thus Ultimate Goodness exists. Therefore God.
You can also substitute the word "greatness"...and the same would be true. Then you reach conclusion of Ultimate Greatness.
