RE: Is Christianity Illogical?
July 14, 2012 at 8:30 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2012 at 8:39 pm by spockrates.)
(July 14, 2012 at 8:19 pm)jonb Wrote:(July 14, 2012 at 7:57 pm)spockrates Wrote: God said:
27 and three quarters: And verily Big ears spoke unto nody 'dust thou have the clap?'
'Oh great one I have lain with the elves, and it be swollen, and of great proportion' The blue hatted one replied.
'Well get yourself unto the sore bones' he spaketh
28.7840$$1 And he did taketh himself unto the clinic, and was cured. Verily Big ears had spoken the truth unto him. The virgins rejoiced to see such fun and the dish ran away with the spoon.
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
(Matthew 19)
Jesus had an appreciation for the absurd, too. And the courage to poke fun at the wealthy and powerful. Don't you think?
(July 14, 2012 at 8:27 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:spockrates Wrote:I suppose such would suggest at least two possibilities:
1. The events of Jesus life were deliberately fabricated
2. The events of Jesus life were remarkably predicted
How would we determine which of the two are true?
This is why I clarified I wasn't talking about prophecy, to eliminate #2. I can show you where in the OT the author of Mark got the material for the part about Jesus and the fig tree. This isn't any sort of prediction but a trivial bit of 'history'.
Therefore, answering your question, to me it's almost undeniable that it's a fabrication.
spockrates Wrote:Reguarding the first alternative, I'd like to ask how you, or I believe anything about the life and death of any historical figure. Julius Caesar, for example--is there anything historians tell us about him that it is reasonable to believe? Or is all ancient history unbelievable?
Julius Caesar left an entire empire behind. There's material things like coins and statues that can be shown are related to him.
I believe there are more statues and mosaics and other ancient reminders of Christ than their are of Caesar. But these aside, what other evidence do we accept of Julius Caesar? How do we know the details of the specific events of his life--what he said and what he did? For example, how do we know why he decided to cross the river and march his army on Rome?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
--Spock