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Christians
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RE: Christians
(September 6, 2009 at 1:00 pm)Retorth Wrote:
Quote:They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

People will be given a reasonable chance to decide to be allegiant to God or not (these Israelites knowingly entered a covenant with no fine print - same goes for your other verses) - everyone will understand what's going to happen if they reject God. What will happen? You said death will happen - forcing people to choose life - with Biblical support - what does that mean in terms of eternity though?

I think what will happen is analogous to joining a nation [heaven] - or choosing to live among the perils of the wild, bandits and all [hell]. I'm guess[ing] that rebels will live together apart from God and His rules - instead of being actively punished/abused by God, His angels, or other such inhabitants of heaven (like believers themselves). The rebels will punish themselves through lawlessness and non-unified existence. They will be allowed to exist just like Satan, I'd guess.

bozo Wrote:...I would not want to spend an eternity with god and people like you!

I wouldn't force any such thing upon you, so no worries. I value you that much, at least!

Ace Wrote:...When you die you cease to exist. I'm happy with that.
So if I was offered heaven, I'd ask god to send me into oblivion. I couldn't possibly spend all eternity existing. Especially with some god like thing.
Personally I don't like the idea of an afterlife.

So could you enjoy committing suicide here on earth? If you're happy with ceasing to exist - what keeps you going on living? And then again in eternity, suicide (if it came to that)? I'm sorry to hear that, but you are your own keeper.
Here's a guy that wouldn't think God is so forceful after all, if he believed, Retorth - he'd say, "Death? Gladly!". What would you say to someone like him - who throws a bone your thoughts on choice? What your saying is that if someone asked you to jump off a cliff they wouldn't be expecting you to really choose at all - allegedly it's not really a choice if one option is 'better' than the other. Ace says death is better than life, now what?
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Christians - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 5:30 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:03 pm
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RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:35 pm
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RE: Christians - by Samson - August 29, 2009 at 9:39 pm
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RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 5, 2009 at 9:13 pm
RE: Christians - by Kyuuketsuki - September 6, 2009 at 8:05 am
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RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 12:22 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 6, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 6, 2009 at 12:47 pm
RE: Christians - by bozo - September 6, 2009 at 1:03 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 6, 2009 at 1:00 pm
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 6, 2009 at 11:23 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 7, 2009 at 6:54 am
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 7, 2009 at 9:58 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 8, 2009 at 9:34 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 6, 2009 at 1:05 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 6, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 6, 2009 at 10:09 pm
RE: Christians - by Kyuuketsuki - September 7, 2009 at 8:13 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 6, 2009 at 11:57 pm
RE: Christians - by theVOID - September 7, 2009 at 12:13 am
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 7, 2009 at 3:07 am
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RE: Christians - by Kyuuketsuki - September 7, 2009 at 3:24 pm
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RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 7, 2009 at 9:01 am
RE: Christians - by Darwinian - September 7, 2009 at 9:33 pm
RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 7, 2009 at 9:35 pm
RE: Christians - by Darwinian - September 8, 2009 at 2:03 am
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 8, 2009 at 9:48 pm
RE: Christians - by theVOID - September 9, 2009 at 4:41 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 9, 2009 at 5:02 am
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 10, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 10, 2009 at 11:13 am
RE: Christians - by theVOID - September 8, 2009 at 2:37 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 8, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: Christians - by Violet - September 8, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 8, 2009 at 11:37 pm
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 10, 2009 at 10:49 am
RE: Christians - by Kyuuketsuki - September 10, 2009 at 4:03 pm
RE: Christians - by Violet - September 9, 2009 at 12:27 am
RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 10:54 am
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 10, 2009 at 11:21 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 10, 2009 at 11:39 am
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm
RE: Christians - by Eilonnwy - September 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 10, 2009 at 4:15 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 12, 2009 at 10:25 am
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 14, 2009 at 11:08 pm
RE: Christians - by theVOID - September 14, 2009 at 11:29 pm
RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 14, 2009 at 11:59 pm
RE: Christians - by Eilonnwy - September 10, 2009 at 12:16 pm
RE: Christians - by Darwinian - September 10, 2009 at 12:39 pm
RE: Christians - by Eilonnwy - September 10, 2009 at 12:45 pm
RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 6:44 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 10, 2009 at 11:35 am
RE: Christians - by Violet - September 10, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 10, 2009 at 3:42 pm
RE: Christians - by Violet - September 10, 2009 at 4:08 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 10, 2009 at 12:46 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 10, 2009 at 12:53 pm
RE: Christians - by Eilonnwy - September 10, 2009 at 1:01 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 10, 2009 at 1:00 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 10, 2009 at 4:05 pm
RE: Christians - by theVOID - September 10, 2009 at 8:33 pm
RE: Christians - by ecolox - September 11, 2009 at 11:13 pm
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RE: Christians - by theVOID - September 15, 2009 at 1:31 am
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RE: Christians - by Eilonnwy - September 15, 2009 at 8:57 am
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RE: Christians - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2009 at 2:15 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 12, 2009 at 5:22 am
RE: Christians - by Violet - September 11, 2009 at 11:33 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 12, 2009 at 12:38 am
RE: Christians - by downbeatplumb - September 12, 2009 at 9:09 am
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RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 15, 2009 at 12:45 am
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RE: Christians - by Lifebepraised - September 15, 2009 at 12:58 am
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RE: Christians - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RE: Christians - by theVOID - September 15, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: Christians - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 10:58 pm
RE: Christians - by Eilonnwy - September 16, 2009 at 9:46 am
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RE: Christians - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 2:11 pm
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RE: Christians - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 2:42 pm
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RE: Christians - by Tiberius - September 15, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Christians - by Violet - September 15, 2009 at 3:09 pm
RE: Christians - by dry land fish - September 15, 2009 at 10:12 pm
RE: Christians - by downbeatplumb - September 16, 2009 at 10:22 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 16, 2009 at 9:49 am
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RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 16, 2009 at 1:15 pm
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RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 2:26 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 16, 2009 at 3:22 pm
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RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 16, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: Christians - by Rhizomorph13 - September 16, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 16, 2009 at 5:07 pm
RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 5:19 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 16, 2009 at 5:40 pm
RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 9:25 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 2:40 am
RE: Christians - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Christians - by chatpilot - September 17, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 17, 2009 at 5:11 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:15 pm
RE: Christians - by Rhizomorph13 - September 17, 2009 at 6:21 pm
RE: Christians - by dry land fish - September 17, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Christians - by Rhizomorph13 - September 17, 2009 at 6:44 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: Christians - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 12:18 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 18, 2009 at 6:59 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 18, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Christians - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 4:00 am
RE: Christians - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 2:24 pm
RE: Christians - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 2:26 pm
RE: Christians - by Rhizomorph13 - September 18, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 18, 2009 at 5:26 pm
RE: Christians - by Rhizomorph13 - September 18, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 18, 2009 at 5:46 pm
RE: Christians - by Rhizomorph13 - September 18, 2009 at 5:58 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 18, 2009 at 6:02 pm
RE: Christians - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 11:55 pm
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 19, 2009 at 1:07 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 2:11 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2009 at 5:35 am
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RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 3:35 am
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RE: Christians - by padraic - September 19, 2009 at 5:21 am
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RE: Christians - by padraic - September 19, 2009 at 7:29 am
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RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 19, 2009 at 8:05 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2009 at 8:44 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 19, 2009 at 8:05 am
RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 19, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 4:45 pm
RE: Christians - by chatpilot - September 19, 2009 at 5:32 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2009 at 5:46 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2009 at 7:21 pm
RE: Christians - by chatpilot - September 20, 2009 at 1:03 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 1:38 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 20, 2009 at 11:50 am
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RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 21, 2009 at 2:07 am
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RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 27, 2009 at 7:07 am
RE: Christians - by Darwinian - September 27, 2009 at 7:23 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 27, 2009 at 7:25 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 27, 2009 at 7:57 am
RE: Christians - by theVOID - September 27, 2009 at 7:59 am
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RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 27, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 28, 2009 at 3:33 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 28, 2009 at 9:36 am
RE: Christians - by solarwave - September 28, 2009 at 11:16 am
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RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 28, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RE: Christians - by Edwardo Piet - September 28, 2009 at 9:10 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - September 29, 2009 at 5:12 am
RE: Christians - by Retorth - September 29, 2009 at 6:45 am
RE: Christians - by Eilonnwy - September 29, 2009 at 8:48 am
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