RE: Christians
September 6, 2009 at 11:57 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2009 at 11:58 pm by Retorth.)
(September 6, 2009 at 11:23 pm)ecolox Wrote: People will be given a reasonable chance to decide to be allegiant to God or not (these Israelites knowingly entered a covenant with no fine print - same goes for your other verses) - everyone will understand what's going to happen if they reject God. What will happen? You said death will happen - forcing people to choose life - with Biblical support - what does that mean in terms of eternity though?
I think what will happen is analogous to joining a nation [heaven] - or choosing to live among the perils of the wild, bandits and all [hell]. I'm guess[ing] that rebels will live together apart from God and His rules - instead of being actively punished/abused by God, His angels, or other such inhabitants of heaven (like believers themselves). The rebels will punish themselves through lawlessness and non-unified existence. They will be allowed to exist just like Satan, I'd guess.
This can make sense in the bible, and in the bible only but it does not apply in the real world. There are many decent people who do not believe in god but live their lives as any other good person. They have morals and work hard in life. Yet, merely because of their disbelief, your god condemns them. Not that these people would care to begin with, but how would this justify the goodness and fairness of your god?
ecolox Wrote:So could you enjoy committing suicide here on earth? If you're happy with ceasing to exist - what keeps you going on living? And then again in eternity, suicide (if it came to that)? I'm sorry to hear that, but you are your own keeper.
Here's a guy that wouldn't think God is so forceful after all, if he believed, Retorth - he'd say, "Death? Gladly!". What would you say to someone like him - who throws a bone your thoughts on choice? What your saying is that if someone asked you to jump off a cliff they wouldn't be expecting you to really choose at all - allegedly it's not really a choice if one option is 'better' than the other. Ace says death is better than life, now what?
Where did he mention enjoying committing suicide? You do it(suicide) once and thats it. There is no enjoying. He is merely stating that if and when he passes on, he'd rather just stay in a state of constant sleep, ceasing to exist, allowing himself to forever rest, as it were before he was born.
How can you be so sure one choice is better then the other when there are those who beg to differ. It's your perspective that makes one choice out to be better. Others don't see it the same way.
The dark side awaits YOU...AngryAtheism
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"Only the dead have seen the end of war..." - Plato
“Those who wish to base their morality literally on the Bible have either not read it or not understood it...” - Richard Dawkins