RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 16, 2012 at 11:52 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2012 at 12:50 pm by Godscreated.)
(July 15, 2012 at 6:44 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Sorry, who the fuck are you to say I misunderstood? Because I haven't arrived at the same conclusion as you I *must* have misread the text right? Yours couldn't *possibly* be the incorrect interpretation. Is that how you came to the idea I haven't studied? Because I don't give answers you like? Do you even understand the level of arrogance you're operating from? Frankly the idea of you accusing anyone of cherry picking is laughable.
Anyway, enough of your sidetracking:
Your statements contradict, if God knew the outcome then he presented a "choice" that negated freewill. Because he knew the outcome he knew that his instructions and his choice to place the tree would lead irrevocably to the destination it would.
If the outcome is known then it is no longer a choice but a machination. Being aware of this machination, this series of events of his own design that would inevitably arise from how he chose to act he went through with it anyway.
God was presented with a choice to spare his children a traumatizing experience or subject them to it, the only real choice in the story.
He chose the latter. These are the events the Bible shows if his omnipotence is to be believed.
In which case it isn't me who isn't making sense, it is the Bible, the concept of omnipotence or both and I am merely demonstrating this.
Please show me if you find anything to be a leap in logic here.
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God was not presented with a choice, that's like saying a teacher giving a test is presented with a choice, when in actuality it is the one taking the test who has to make a choice when answering the question. If the one taking the test gives some wrong answers then the score will reflect the wrong choices, a punishment of sorts. If the one who takes the test is traumatized, it's not the teachers fault, the one who takes the test should have listened to what was being taught. The one taking the test knew the consequences of not listening, the responsibility falls on the one taking the test. You can bet the teacher already has an idea of how well the one taking the test will do.
Now the teacher could have taken the test or just given the student a good score without giving the test, tell me what would be accomplished by that.
(July 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm)Godschild Wrote:
cato123 Wrote:"Agreed God is omniscient" was your quote and also your problem.
The Bible you were trying to jam down Crate's throat states in Genesis 3:9 that your god couldn't find Adam. You either have to admit that your god isn't omniscient or he took a time out to play a good game of hide-and-seek before doling out the punishment for eating from the tree of knowledge.
I'm not trying to jam anything down anyone's throat, all I'm saying if you do not study the scriptures don't cherry pick. It's apparent that you like to try and turn the scriptures to your favor by doing away with any reasoning at all. Let's take a look at the situation you brought up in Genesis. God says He is omniscient and that said why would you think He did not know where Adam and Eve were hiding. Of course He did, He called out to them as a father calls out to a child who has done wrong, God's showing His love for them, He did not rush in screaming, He actually gave them a chance to explain themselves. They then made things worse by placing the blame on others, this showed they had now learned evil.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
