Retorth Wrote:This can make sense in the bible, and in the bible only but it does not apply in the real world. There are many decent people who do not believe in god but live their lives as any other good person. They have morals and work hard in life. Yet, merely because of their disbelief, your god condemns them. Not that these people would care to begin with, but how would this justify the goodness and fairness of your god?
What are you talking about (makes sense there, not here - what do you know about the real world - etc)? And yes, I do think that some people do not believe in God but live life decently. God looks at the heart more than He does the mind, so could it be that an unbeliever could be saved? Maybe, maybe.
Last point - again - God looks at the heart - if someone can live for Jesus/goodness, then can a person live for goodness without knowledge of Jesus... Surely.
Retorth Wrote:Where did he mention enjoying committing suicide?
I asked if he would, since he said he'd be happy to cease to exist.
Retorth Wrote:You do it(suicide) once and thats it. There is no enjoying. He is merely stating that if and when he passes on, he'd rather just stay in a state of constant sleep, ceasing to exist, allowing himself to forever rest, as it were before he was born.
Once and that's it? How can you be sure? But he said ceasing to exist would basically be a delight. Could it be that he would be happy as he was killing himself - and when he actually ceased to exist he would stop being happy - 'resting' from all that happiness.
Retorth Wrote:How can you be so sure one choice is better then the other when there are those who beg to differ. It's your perspective that makes one choice out to be better. Others don't see it the same way.
The question is why do I choose life over death when some choose differently? God makes life worthwhile to me. Some people kill themselves to put themselves out of their own misery. If you have a reason to live (i.e. if you are connected to other lives {e.g. children, wife, friends, God}) then misery is tolerable. If you have no reason for existing, then how could your misery be tolerable? Also, if a person cannot tolerate misery, then how could they be moral - they would seek pleasure/relief instead. But if God is real, then we'd always have a point - through everything - better than pleasure seeking and self-serving...being with God is worth all the misery in the world.
If it was only my perspective that one choice is better than the other - why did you tell me that God was forceful (as in forcing one option over another)? Yes, others don't see it in the same way, but apparently you do.
(September 7, 2009 at 12:13 am)theVOID Wrote: How do you know God exists?
I don't know how else to explain this existence. If God doesn't exist, why would I? Don't say there isn't a reason, because that wouldn't be rational.